Can a GSR with i/h/e hang with a type R or rsx-s or at least beat a celica gts? Also, just a random question...it might be stupid but i've never raced anyone before. But if you beat someone by half a second, about how many car lengths is that?

 

You're going to need more than that to hang with an ITR but a GTS is definitely possible. BTW, nice choice of car.


[Modified by 2K1 GS-R, 12:46 AM 7/17/2001]

 

first off r u talking about hanging with a stock Type R?
if so...u won't need much more than a i/h/e and some good driving lessons
i know a guy that ran a 14.6 with AEM CAI...JDM headers...and custom cat back system on his gsr
now a modded type R..u def need more..that 25 hp difference and LSD def give them the upper hand and with i/h/e they gain prob 10-15..maybe more depending on the parts

but as everyone says....it all depends on the driver..i mean i saw some type Rs doing in the 15s at the track..which is really slow for a type R...they should do any where from 14.5-14.7 with a good driver. There is one guy on here that said he did a 14.3 with just a AEM CAI on his R

i beat a stock celica gts when my car was stock
RSX type S? u doubt but i'm iching to race one and see!

good luck if u try racing them


[Modified by Lonerider, 5:59 AM 7/17/2001]

 

Well my GSR is the first stickshift i've ever driven/owned. I think i'm gonna practice a lil more before i start racing. Any tips from you guys when shifting? Or does the old saying still apply "practice makes perfect"? What are other mods that can give me more horsepower?

 

Lonerider: I assume he means, can he hang with an R if both drivers are fairly equal. In that case, not a chance. Sure, a stock GSR with a good driver will beat a stock ITR with a bad driver.

 

errr, perfect practice makes perfect.....if you keep doing the same ol bad things you arent going to get any better......

as for shifting, use all the Revs your gonna need it, shift fast, get new tires....TIRES!
14.7 with I/H/E i've seen with my own eyes....also i've seen lots of ITRs running 15s, so yeah you can beat many ITRs but there are the ones who know how to drive them well, and well, good luck

 

The most important thing I tell New Honda owners is this, dont shift fast until you can shift slow. What i mean is this, I ahve seen so many new Integra owner's mis-shift and the like because they rush into it and think they are experts. As good as the Honda manual trannys are they are very sensitive to ham fisted drivers and the synchros cant take much more than 2 or 3 messed up shifts before your grinding frequently.

 

Since we're on the topic of this modded gs-r. What kind of total horspower would a gs-r with an iceman cai, apex ws exhuast, and a dc 4-1 cc header have?

 

just a few more hp than stock... i/h/e is your basic combo... id say no more than 10-15 tops

 

SCC got 16 total peak HP with a AEM CAI, HKS Exhaust, DC 4-2-1 header on a GSR

8- aem
3- hks
5- dc sports

i/h/e on a GSR will compete with a type r....anyone who says it won't, is speaking because the R has 25 more hp and a limited slip...but in reality...it would be a much closer race than the numbers would seem to show...

 

I have an aem and a type r exhaust on my gsr and are dead even with my buddy who has a bone stock r. Hes not a bad driver either. he says he just never pulls me we have tried a couple of times. oh and by the way, I have 163 to the WHEELS on my gsr. He never dyno'd his type r yet. It all depends on how good your car is from the factory, people do not realize how much of a difference there is between stock motors when one motor is strong and one motor is weak.........

 

Post this topic on the Type R forum and you will get totally different replies, although most people there are reasonable and realistic, there are those who will post that their ITR will beat an M3, hang with Vettes, and so on.

 

post in the R forum? ha...if people with GSR's say a I/H/E GSR wont compete with a Type R...then the Type R owners are gonna rape me in the *** for posting my opinion...and we dont want that...

Type R owners would have a very difficult time admiting that my $18k GSR with about $1k in modifications can hang with their $25k R's

 

I like the ITR, I have driven one, loved the hell out of it but could not accept some compromises that came with it according to a couple of R owners. I just think a FEW R owners think that they will smoke every car because they have an ITR and is "lighter" argument. Some claim their stock can do 0-60 in around 5 seconds (hmmmm, just as fast as an S2K). Just can't wait till someone post that their ITR can take them to the moon and back.

 

I have never lost to a GTS.

they are way slow. they are not even that close of a race

i raced a type r from 40-100. he pulled about a car length if that.
if you want a lil more power take your rear seats and spare tire out

its good for about 50 pounds

 

The new GTS celicas are fast....stock for stock it'll beat a GSR. I"m not sure by how much, but half a second? anyone got the full stats?

 

ITR and GS-R are pretty close in a straight line. It's the curves and turns that the ITR are at top.

I've beaten alot of Celica GT-S. You shouldn't have any problem.

 

i'm all stock though, so technically shouldn't i lose if drivers are equal?

 

I have a 00 GSR and i smoked a gts from a rool of about 30 or so we did the 3 horn honk start so it was all fair and an even start as sooon as i hit vetec i was gone. at the time i only had an aem cai./ the gts was stock

 

sweet. For intake, do you recommend the aem cai or i just recently saw the comptech ice box thing. Does that thing compare?

 

I had both at one point. I had the AEM CAI first, it never fitted right, always had to check if it's rubbing, then I notice a hole, plus, the filter gets hella dirty in just a few weeks. I had the Icebox for about a month now and so far, it's been great. The fit is excellent, filter is still clean, but the quality is no where near OEM. And icebox sounds better too at WOT.

 

have you dynoed your car with the aem and ice box? I'm leaning towards the icebox since it's supposedly will not beable to hydrolock. But aem cai with bypass valve is always a solution. Sound doesn't matter to me much. I'm sure they both sound better than stock, so i'm just really interested in which has better power output.

 

The comptech website claims 19 hp gain for a 2000 GSR from the Icebox alone with H/E. They dynoed a GSR with H/E, then installed the Icebox and they claim 19hp difference between the H/E and I/H/E. Sounds unreal, I then posted a thread at the Comptech forum to clarify, there is someone there from Comptech to answer questions and he stated that was the result, same car, same dyno, same day, 19 hp. I am still a bit skeptical though since they seem to suggest that I get the comptech header and catback too for the "best results". But then again, I can be skeptical all day all year and I can never dispute their results unless I do a dyno myself.

 

i spank celica GTS all the time. you should have no problem with them. stocj vs stock, a gsr has 10 HP more, correct me if im wrong.

 

No. a GSR has 10HP less stock than that Star Trek Enterpise looking Celica GTS. However, the GSR has a meatier torque and hp curve, but drivers equal, the GTS should be theoretically faster, according to car magazines with pro drivers launching them.