Did anyone catch that quick little blurb during the Monaco GP?? Sounds quite interesting or entertaining at the least. I believe it's this Wednesday @ noon.

 

yea and its free u should go or at least i should.

 

Unfortunately, I'm on the eastcoast. I will be hopefully watching it on TV if it's aired on Speed.

 

This should be cool. Here's more details...
http://www.speedtv.com/speed/press.php?p=6572

 

Wowser:

Horsepower: 900 (max RPM of 19,000)
Engine: 3L BMW P82 V10 (aluminum block)
Top Speed: 225 mph (why not more?)
Fuel: Unleaded racing gasoline
Chassis weight: 1322.76 lbs. (w/driver)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eee Pee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Top Speed: 225 mph (why not more?)
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Several reasons:
1) F1 cars (and a lot of pro racers) set their final drive, top gear ratio at redline to the fastest speed they will see on the longest straightaway at the track they're running that week( i.e. F1 crews will set it up so that the driver will hit redline in 6th (7th?) gear at the end of the front straight just before braking into Turn 1) They can't go faster than that at any point on the course so why throw away the gearing needed for a faster top speed?

2) Wings. There is ALWAYS a tradeoff between top speed on the straight and downforce in the turns. F1 crews (and every other pro race) trade straightline speed for cornering grip by running a larger/more efficient wing/spoiler.

3) Tires. I believe there are very few rubber tires available that will handle speeds much greater than 250 mph for any long period of time...

 

Oh, heck. I'll start the poll:

I pick Montoya will be faster in both cars.

 

I'll take Jeff. He has more open-wheel experience than Montoya does in "closed wheel" cars.

 

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1. Yeah but the F1 car will be much harder to drive at the limit. That's where Montoya's experience comes into play.

2. If I were Jeff, I'd be worried about balling up a really freakin' epensive F1 car. Montoya should not have such fears in the chevy, if he crashed it, he could write the check himself.

3. Montoya has driven the road course, Jeff hasn't (as far as I know).

The short: Montoya, hands down.

 

I don't want to ruin this thread by arguing but I think the whole thing looks VERY cool. I can't wait to see it.

Montoya won't perform as well in Gordon's car as he does in his own and visa versa.

I most eager to hear have they have to say after it's all done.

 

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2. If I were Jeff, I'd be worried about balling up a really freakin' epensive F1 car. Montoya should not have such fears in the chevy, if he crashed it, he could write the check himself.

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Where can I get tickets to that fantasy land you're in?

First, Gordon wouldn't be writing the check.
Second, If he had to, he most certainly could.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Jeff G. has this NASCAR champion and multiple big time sponsorship thingy going on. I don't think he's having any trouble paying the electric bill for his double wide :rollseyes:.

And even though Jeffy proved to the world that he can in fact drive pretty damned well in that rally championship thing a couple of months ago, I pick Montoya as well.

Scott, who'd love to see Montoya drive a sprint car... on dirt.
That guy has amazingly quick hands.

 

I'm curious to see how Montoya's "throw it past the limit then bring it back" technique works with 3600 lbs of Nascar's finest. Is he runnning the oval or road course? Nascar oval setups are incredibly unbalanced left to right so bring them back from over the limit can be difficult. I hope they remember to make it a racing show and not some MTV 15 second clip jump around so no one can figure out what is happening thing. Shoud be fun though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where can I get tickets to that fantasy land you're in?

First, Gordon wouldn't be writing the check.
Second, If he had to, he most certainly could.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Jeff G. has this NASCAR champion and multiple big time sponsorship thingy going on. I don't think he's having any trouble paying the electric bill for his double wide :rollseyes:.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Looks like Jeff has about $50 million in assets. http://cgi.citizen-times.com/c...28607

Divide that by 2 and you'll get his worth after his divorce settlement. Given that BMW spends on the order of $200-$300 million per year on its engine program (figures from Roundel, May 2003), I'm thinking that they'd want quite a bit for one of those engines (they aren't selling them, so it's hard to put a figure on it). Add in the cost of a Patrick Head designed Williams F1 chassis, and I'm not so sure that Jeff would like to write that check, even if he could. Paying for a banged up Nascar would hardly dent Montoya's 2003 salary.

Not that either of them would be writing the check, but if it were me behind the wheel, I'd be thinking about it. Therefore, I'd drive the Nascar quite a bit harder than the F1 car.

Now what's this about a fantasy land?

 

&gt;&gt;Not that either of them would be writing the check, but if it were me behind the wheel, I'd be thinking about it. Therefore, I'd drive the Nascar quite a bit harder than the F1 car.

Now what's this about a fantasy land?&lt;&lt;

I dunno. You tell us. You're in it. (heehee)

Gordon is an icon of one of the most popular motorsports in history. Montoya is a cocky young south american with a few of wins under his belt. If I were Jeff, I'd rape the sh*t out of that F1 car. Who cares if it wrecks. And I'll bet dollars to donuts he's thinking the same thing. And, 900 hp in a 1300 lb car won't be new territory for Jeffy. Ever check the specs on an outlaw sprint car?

I love touting a NAS(S)CAR driver on Honda-tech...

 

Let's not forget that Gordon, along with Jimmie Johnson and Colin Edwards, won (YES WON) the Race of Champions this year. Even though the driving took place on dirt in rally cars and buggies, the ability to adapt and accel in different cars and conditions really impressed me.

I say both are fastest in their respective cars, but JPM will be 1sec - .5sec off Gordon's pace in the stocker, while Gordon will be 3-5sec off of JPM's pace in the Williams. Formula One is like hyper-driving; it's gonna take more than a day to fully adapt to such a (comparatively) weird car.

As for the Race of Champions, I still don't know why I've never seen it on Speed. Maybe they're just waiting a few years so they can show it on NASCAR Past Champions. Over and over and over...

 

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Americans need to step foot outside of their country a little more often. The world is a different place.

 

I'll take two tickets. It sounds like its fun in there.

Yes, YOU would be worried about balling up an F1 car. So would I and so would 99.99999% of the world's populace.
Guys like Gordon and Montoya give not one single little baby turd about destroying race cars. The money and the effort to rebuild them is not what they care about. They care about winning at any and all costs. This attitude and their natural abilities are what separates them from you and I.

Since this is just a "show," Neither driver will be pushing their limits or the limits of the vehicle. There is nothing to be gained.
But I promise you that neither of them are financially responsible for the cars and neither of them really care if they wreck. Sure, they would prefer not to, but they won't be sitting in the car thinking "Oh ****, I hope I don't ball this thing up."

Oh, and many of us are well aware of the world around us. I'm not even a NASCAR fan. But I am smart enough to know a few things like who is responsible for what and that NEITHER team will be bringing their best cars and fully developed motors to this little display.
So... could Gordon afford to replace the third rate wind tunnel mule with the used up motor that he'll be driving??? Assuming if by some freak of imagination he'd even be responsible in the first place??? Yes, I'm thinking he could.

You got cotton candy in there?
I love me some cotton candy.

 

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DITTO...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since this is just a "show," Neither driver will be pushing their limits or the limits of the vehicle. There is nothing to be gained.
But I promise you that neither of them are financially responsible for the cars and neither of them really care if they wreck. Sure, they would prefer not to, but they won't be sitting in the car thinking "Oh ****, I hope I don't ball this thing up."</TD></TR></TABLE>

Maybe you missed seeing Michael and Rubins tear around Indy last year in some "borrowed" Maseratis-a coupe and a Spyder, then Michael took a couple HOT laps in a 1920's 'Mazzer' garnd prix car... you don't think he once thought "Oh ****, I hope I don't ball this thing up!"?

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The Chevy is new, the BMW is last years F1 car.

 

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That sounds about right. The NASCAR machine is a LOT cheaper to put together in comparison, and they build many cars every year anyway, so why not bring the fastest thing you've got?

My vote? Montoya in both cars.

This will be interesting to watch!

Jon

 

tyte, i gotta watch this.

 

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The CART and IRL cars JPM drove are also asymetrically setup. From what I saw of his driving on ovals on cold tires out of the pits, he'll be okay. 3600lbs means a lower handling limit, more inertia, hence more time to react. Not saying its easy- its very difficult, but not as hard as an Indy car, IMO.

 

If it’s going to be a time trail on the road course with the f1, montoya no question. In the stock car, Jeff always does good at the road courses, so he could very well beat JP in the "stock" car since he is way more used to it. And if they run the stock car around just the oval? Well then since they're going to be flat out anyway, it's whoever has the cooler air temps during their run, or if the wind decides to blow them around the oval faster. Will be watching it (well taping it at that time) for sure!

 

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This is meaningless for the most part.
The Chevy being "new" just means it's an unused (read, unsorted) or rarely used car with 2003 sheetmetal and decals. They have bunches of them. The powerplant will certainly not be "new." Likely a used motor that is detuned so it wont blow up and ruin the whole show.

The F1 car is a castoff. Likely borrowed from the European equivalent of the "Display in front of Walmart" tour. Again with a used, detuned powerplant.

To compare this little suare to driving irreplacable, priceless vintage cars is comparing apples to tennis *****.

 

If it's last years F1 car, you have to assume it's got traction control, which is an equalizer in itself...