I'm finally hitting the dyno this Saturday. Here is a list of all that's in my setup. Let's have your guesses for what I'll put down (whp & tq.)...........we'll see who gets the closest when I post the results Saturday afternoon.
<U>Setup:</U>
LS/VTEC
B18A block, stock
81mm SRP 11.5:1 forged pistons
Eagle forged rods
stock B18A crank
ITR oil/water pumps (w/ OEM RSX filters)
Blockguard
B16A head P&P'd by Josh @ Topspeed Perf. in Naples,FL
ITR valves
ITR outer valve springs
Portflow inner valve springs
Ferrea Titanium retainers
Skunk2 stage1 cams
AEM cam gears
Hodata IM gasket (street version)
ITR Intake manifold
B16A throttle body
Iceman shortram intake
B&M FPR
Stock ITR injectors
V-AFC
'00 ITR ECU
DC JDM 4:1 CC header
SS testpipe w/ OBDII bung
Stock ITR catback
Home-made grounding setup
GS-R flywheel
ITR clutch & PP
'00 Si (B16A) tranny w/ ITR LSD
.
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That's about it. Here's a pic just for kicks! What's your guess?

 

185whp/140tq

 

182.8

 

edit: i guess i have bad knowledge

good luck with the dyno

 

182.7/133


Modified by acuracing at 11:58 AM 5/29/2003

 

Stock ITR catback is gonna kill it. 185whp, 134 tq.

 

I`ll just say "1" like "the price is right" and win

 

i would say 185 at autolink dyno

 

All that with a ITR ecu? why not tune?

I say 186.4whp/135.2wtq.

 

190/135

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecvoodoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I`ll just say "1" like "the price is right" and win </TD></TR></TABLE>

only if we all go over

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All that with a ITR ecu? why not tune?

I say 186.4whp/135.2wtq.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm just curious as to what I can pull out whilst still OBDII. I will be switching to OBDI soon (w/ PYR P06 ECU), but this way I can compare my OBDI/II results back to back w/ no other changes......it should prove to be interesting. I'll be able to compare the advantages (power-wise) of OBDI vs. OBDII first-hand. Rumor here is that peak numbers should be about the same, but that I should expect about a 20+/- whp gain in the mid-range by switching to OBDI.......We'll see!

 

On an LS/VTEC Setup it's not a true OBD1 to OBD II comparison. The fuel and timing maps aren't optimized on the OBDII for your setup.

OBDII is pretty bad for most mild street setups when compared to a tuned ECU on cars that OBDII was designed for.

Good luck but I wouldn't waste the money dyno tuning.

Cruzer

 

simply switching from a p73 to a p06 will do very little.

neither are optimized for your setup. a 'chipped' ecu won't help you much either, if you want to see how much power you can get, you need at least a vafc, better would be a hondata.

 

See post......I have a VAFC already.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">simply switching from a p73 to a p06 will do very little.

neither are optimized for your setup. a 'chipped' ecu won't help you much either, if you want to see how much power you can get, you need at least a vafc, better would be a hondata.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well put for you

 

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He has a V-AFC.

I do not understand the point of guessing.

One could tune the car to make 140whp or 180whp. How can you make a prediction without knowing the ability of the tuner?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cruzersi00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On an LS/VTEC Setup it's not a true OBD1 to OBD II comparison. The fuel and timing maps aren't optimized on the OBDII for your setup.

OBDII is pretty bad for most mild street setups when compared to a tuned ECU on cars that OBDII was designed for.

Good luck but I wouldn't waste the money dyno tuning.

Cruzer</TD></TR></TABLE>

well put to you too.

vafc or not, that is no comparison, to compare a obd1 and obd2 with a vafc. just because an ecu is obd1 doesn't mean anything, its how you adjust the fuel maps, timing, etc.

 

Let's just make the assumption that the tuner is quite competent and base our guesses on that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GM2000ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Let's have your guesses for what I'll put down (whp & tq.)...........we'll see who gets the closest when I post the results Saturday afternoon.
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if you were using one of my custom ecus then I'd say 193hp/138ish tq ... how it is as you listed = 188/131

greg

 

what kind of dyno?

 

What would your guess be if I were to switch to the stage2's or Toda B's ?

 

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Dynojet 248c

 

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What's with all the guesses??

You do know there are a lot of ways to tune. Top end sacrifices mid range sometimes, awesome mid range might require you to give up some top end, and all-around good tune might not have the best mid or best top....

This is worse than bench racing/magazine racing. At least they have numbers by which to go on, this is basically shots in the dark with a gigantic margin of error and no idea what your goals are.

 

I thought that H-T existed for 2 reasons: as a learning tool or as entertainment. You are clearly not contributing to either. This post was simply created in the interest of entertainment. I'm pretty sure that everyone here understands that there are many variables in the realm of tuning, and perhaps I needed to make my query more specific...."What is your guess for peak whp and wtq. based on the items I have listed, assuming: 1)everything functions as designed, and 2)the tuner is substantially competent and has sufficientknowledge to perform the tuning". Let's just assume that I will be tuning for a good, smooth, all-around curve with very little sacrifice of midrange for top-end. With all that said, and considering that fact that we in the Honda-world are pretty familiar with the way our engines perform with said modifications, don't you think that we can make a decent guess (at-least the same ball-park) at how this setup will perform JUST FOR KICKS?