93 Honda Civic CX
JDM GSR stock motor with intake
Kumho 712s 205-50-15
Gutted passenger seat and spare tire/jack
1/4 tank gas
Launched at 3k
Can't remember what gear I finished in
Fontana Track

60' ... 2.390
330 ... 6.555
1/8 ... 9.977
MPH ... 71.40
1000 ... 12.953
1/4 ... 15.461
MPH ... 89.63

 

how many times have you ran at the track?

from what i'm seeing you should get A LOT better.

 

Out of 4 times, this was my quickest run.

From the numbers you see, where should I improve to get better on?

 

Well your 60' time should improve by atleast 2/10's. Damn only trappin 80's. Huh. That set-up should run DEEP 14's. Are you running stock exhaust manifold, exhaust etc...?

 

So I should be running around a 2.1 60ft? Can't explain the trap, but yes stock exhaust mani., bottle neck'd by a 2" hi-flow cat, and 2.25" crimp bent piping mated to a $20 autozone turbo muffler

 

a good lauch would be 2.2's. 2.3 is not bad but it can get better.
I dont know what to tell you, your car should be good for mid 14 passes, trapping 95+. wait is a CX a coupe or hatch?

i was asking how many runs have you had overall with that setup? other factors could be the track, weather conditions, etc.

 

With that setup, I just had 4 runs. All I know is that it was pretty hot, maybe high 80s. Elevation is maybe around 2k(ft.) but def. not as high as Palmdale. I also forgot to mention that I am throwing a code 41, which is the Primary Oxygen Sensor - Heater, if that has anything to do with my results.

 

PRACTICE....PRACTICE....PRACTICE....the whole run depends on the launch

 

I found that Fontana track sucked, none of our cars were getting the 60ft's they should. I think Fontana's elevation is probably about 1500, Palmdale is 2700ft.
Maybe you should try the Pamldale track if you can, and see if it is the track or that you just need some practice.

 

You should be running way better times. Maybe its the track/elevation thing. But I ran almost identical times in an Si.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fmaxturbochic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I found that Fontana track sucked, none of our cars were getting the 60ft's they should. I think Fontana's elevation is probably about 1500, Palmdale is 2700ft.
Maybe you should try the Pamldale track if you can, and see if it is the track or that you just need some practice.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Isn't the Fontana track fairly new? I hear the LACR sucks *** plus the bad elevation to go on top of that. I've ran at Pomona in a different car and I really like that track but too bad they don't have street legals anymore.

 

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Isn't the Fontana track fairly new? I hear the LACR sucks *** plus the bad elevation to go on top of that. I've ran at Pomona in a different car and I really like that track but too bad they don't have street legals anymore. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes it is new, at LACR its not new but you get better traction than Fontucky, oh and yeah Pomona is the ultimate track, but they dont have open test and trial runs like the other tracks do.
If you want to convert your times from Palmdale (LACR) to what they would have been at sea level then just multiply your ET in palmdale by .97, as for MPH, take your mph in palmdale and multiply that by 1.03, and that gives your times for a sea level run.

 

Hmmm...I'm not sure if that code is holding you back....but definately get a better exhaust setup.

I have a 92 vx
usdm gsr motor, bolt ons
Azenis
cm stage 4 clutch

My best at Palmdale was 14.7 with a 2.2 60ft. I was there 2 weeks ago but the wind was horrible (blowing in the opposite direction) and I ran 14.9 with a 2.1 60ft. Also, that 14.7 was running open header. I now run full exhaust. 93mph I think.

I can't speak for Fontana...but most of the gsr hatches I've seen at Palmdale run high14s-mid 15s.

You're 60ft isn't THAT bad. I've run faster than 15.4 with 2.3s at Palmdale. Do you know how much power you're putting down?

-Rod

 

you need to get your exhaust flowing to let the top end pull better. that trap isn't very good, I got had a worse 60 and trapped a lot faster, all I have is an AEM intake, greddy 4-2-1, and a g-spec muffler. time below..

 

So what are the symptoms of a bad trap?

RK, what kind of bolt-ons do you have?

The only bolt-on I have is an intake. With a header and better cat-back system would I be hitting 14s? Also, was my 3k launch okay? What is the best rpm to lauch at with my setup and what gear should I be in when finishing the 1/4 mile? TIA

 

I also forgot to mention that I was running 20psi up front on my Kuhmo 712 and I raised my Ground Controls to the highest setting in the rear.

 

Looks like your exhaust is fine. Your motor Tq is good for at least 14 on your chassis. I think the problem lies in your error code. What happens is if you throw any kind of code your ecu makes changes and that could ultimatly affect the performance of your car. Ignition and fuel usually suffer when you start throwing engine codes. Get that fixed first then go to the track again I can almost say with absolute certainty that you will post Lower ET And Miles per hour.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda Civic GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what are the symptoms of a bad trap?

RK, what kind of bolt-ons do you have?

The only bolt-on I have is an intake. With a header and better cat-back system would I be hitting 14s? Also, was my 3k launch okay? What is the best rpm to lauch at with my setup and what gear should I be in when finishing the 1/4 mile? TIA</TD></TR></TABLE>

bad trap is just from your car not pulling as much up top. I got a good trap for my ET because I have sorry launches, the time below was my first time to run my car. my doing bad at the start and my car pulling pretty good up top I got almost 95mph with a 15.0. When your trap is strangely high it just means you have some room for improvement with your driving.

I would say the exhaust has a lot to do with it. I have a g-spec muffler, its pretty much an N-1. When I have the silencer in I can feel a world of difference on my top end torque. Also when I took off my gutted cat and put a carsound cat on I could feel the top end not pulling as hard.

I would say free up that exhaust a little and you will do better.

 

Well I appreciate everyones input so far.

So far, I see I need to improve upon two things on my car: 1)my exhuast, by getting a header, a better cat-back system with muffler, and maybe ditch the cat. 2) Remove my CEL.

Does anyone have any input on my launch rev, tire pressure, and rear suspension stance? TIA

 

Try running 15 psi in the tires. Thats what I run in my Azenis(same size as yours) and I run 2.15 sixty feet times. I was launching at 4700 and dumping the clutch and feathering the gas. Are you speed shifting? After the launch never leave full throttle. Run open header. People may say you lose torque but I dropped .2 when I dropped mine. Are you serious about going fast? Gut your car more. Take out your a/c. While you are waiting in line to race only start the car to move then shut it off. If you leave your car running from the time you start it till the time you race your engine will be too hot. I am going to start pushing my car untill I get close to the staging lanes.

 

when i brought my 95 DX with a b18c1 to the track it ran 14.7@94 mph with a cel due to the car had a obd2 harness in it but the last run it went 14.4 with a 2.2 60' on falken tires for the last run at the end of the day. Then i went back the next week and i had the skunk 2 obd2-obd1 harness and a no cel and i went 14.7 @93 mph but everyone was running slower that day from handas to turbo mustangs

i have dc 4-2-1 header and some thrown together cat back with a apexi N1 muffler and a short ram intake . Thinking i should go with a 4-1 and get a bit more out of it and the car has full interor no P/S or A/C.

what should a hatch go with a stock gsr with the basic bolt ones? on street tires?

 

get the o2 sensor fixed. your car is probably running in limp mode or somthing. get the code cleared out and go back and hit some 14's

 

when i put the convertion harness in there there was no codes due to with the obd2 ecu was looking for a secondary o2 and now it is only reading the primary the only one on the car so no code

 

From what I can see, ET vs MPH, it's just about dead on. Maybe alittle better 60ft, but thats about it. My time in my sig. is pretty close to what you're running. Only i'm using my tiny SOHC . With a 2.2 you may see a 9.7 1/8th. I live in the land of an 1/8th mile track, sorry. Close to HIGH 14 for sure.

 

VegasHatch: I may give 15psi a try. What is your setup and your times? For speed shifting, I only do it from 1st to 2nd gear. I don't really want to gut my car that much (i.e. carpet, paneling, sound deadening material) so I only took out my passneger seat and spare tire/jack. Also, I don't have a/c or p/s and yes I did push my car until I got near the staging lanes.

Downey: I've been trying to get it fixed but the CEL is still there. I've tried two different O2's, one being a universal NTK unit and the other was another stock Honda 4-wire O2. How do I know if I am running in limp mode?

Also, I think I should mention there were a few other hybrids that day that were running 15.2's. One being a CRX with a B16, intake, a header, stock exhaust piping/muffler and a Mugen chip; another was an EK with a bone stock GSR motor with no cat/stock piping/muffler; and there was an EF hatch with a B16 and basic bolt-ons. All three of them were hitting 15.2's. Would it be safe to say the blame is on the track?

Anyone else have input on what rev for launching and what gear I should be finishing with my setup? Thanks for everyone's help.