Ive posted this topic in the civic forum, but ive got reply asking me to try to get some answer from this forum. Does anyone know how hard will it be to change my 01 civic sedan brakes to dc5r brakes (rotor & etc - front&rear)?? Will i need to change from 4-lug to 5-lug?? Ive called up Honda, and they say it can be done...just want to know will it require a lot of parts to be change...thx..

Ps...i know some of you will be asking why i need such a big brakes...lets just say i really find the stock brakes , and furthermore...may opt for a k20 swap later. Thx in advance.

 

all you 'need' is a good set of tires and brake pads if you want to stop well.

If you want big brakes for bling, thats up to you.

 

Well, actually...at 1st i was planning to change the brake pads, then a friend of mine gave a suggestion about changing the whole thing. If it aint much of a hassle, i would change the rotors and etc. Anyone here had tried endless/project MU brake pads?? Which will last longer, yet offering gd stopping power? Im looking at what options i have.

As for tires, well...any fairly price tires you could suggest?? Im thinking Falken/yokos...any gd?

 

Falken Azenis are a great tire.

Call either of these guys, tell 'em RJ sent you

http://www.cobaltfriction.com
http://www.carbotecheng.com

 

azenzis are only good on track. wouldnt consider them a great tire. s-03s are nice.

 

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What, they dont work fine on the street?

 

A couple other alternatives would be sloted, cross drilled rotors, steel braided brake lines, etc. In the long run it would save you a lot more money, than what you would spend trying to put bigger rotors on your car. Beside that, you would have no choice but to go to five lug. The RSX base model is five lug also. In order for you to get the bigger rotors you would have to change out the entire suspension. I dont even think you can do that considering that the axles are going to be different from your setup because it is a 1.7 liter. The yoke in the hub might not fit 1.7 liter axles. Just a little food for thought.

 

slotted, cross drilled rotors will only waste money. They provide absolutely zero performance benefit and will stress crack and wear out faster.

There's going to be very little benefit of SS lines, but often times they will make the pedal 'feel' better.

 

It will work, the guy DC5@EM2 with the K20A swap has them on his...the wheels sit a little wider tho

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ep3soulpower &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> In order for you to get the bigger rotors you would have to change out the entire suspension. I dont even think you can do that considering that the axles are going to be different from your setup because it is a 1.7 liter. The yoke in the hub might not fit 1.7 liter axles. Just a little food for thought.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The axles WILL fit in a coupe or sedan Civic. IMO, it's not worth it. The axles for the RSX... the entire front axle setup from an Acura dealer is $1,259!

And 88 cents!

The front axles for the Civic Si are nearly 2 grand! It is so not worth it. If you want to go to a junkyard however, that's up to you.

The rear is a direct bolt on but you'll need the master cylinder and brake booster for the rears to work at their best. Otherwise, they'll just perform like the original stock rear brakes.

If you want to upgrade your brakes, I'd look into SSBC or Wilwood. There are far less expensive alternatives that will offer better results. If you're going to put money into brakes, I suggest you upgrade your setup instead of putting money on another set-up that's less expensive and not as effective.

 

My tire recommendations are as follows:

If you live where there's no rain and you're on a budget:
Falken Azenis

If you like to drive in the rain and you're on a budget:
Yokohama AVS ES100

Money ain't a thang?:
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Piston/Firestone Firehawk SZ50 EP

 

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That's because he has the DC5R brakes on his ride, and not the ones off an RSX. I heard from him wheel spacers solve the problem, but I have yet to see the problem solved.

 

Of course they will fit with a K20A swap, but not if he wants to do it now. He would have to wait. As far as RSX axles fitting on a civic coupe or sedan, where do you bolt-on the intermediate shaft?? I dont think there are holes for that on a 1.7 liter. (this is in response to Slammedblue)

 

After looking at the driveshaft assembly for the Civic, you're right.

I was actually planning on doing an RSX suspension swap (w/o brakes) and I got to see the driveshaft assembly for the Si and RSX. When I looked at the one for the Civic, I noticed something was missing.


2001 Civic EX Assembly


2002 RSX-S Assembly

 

I would like to add this about the engine swap and the use of stock Civic brakes. This is what I was told by the guy who did the K20A swap in his EM2:

OK, first off. I used the JDM ITR drive axles completely for my swap. if you plan on using your reg civic brakes, then what you can do is either get the complete drive axles for the si or you can use the rsx/integra drive axles but you need to change out the outboard cv joint sets because the ones for the rsx have a thicker connector to where the hubs and the axles meet.

 

Wow...from the feedback i get, it sounds its quite a fuss to change the brakes . And fr all the things i need to change...it will probably cost me a bomb. Will i encounter the same thing if i opt for aftermarket brakes such as wilwood/endless/aem & etc?? If they are, i may have to find other alternatives...maybe try changing the brake pads & put in steel braided line. The reason i wanted to fit in dc5 ones is because i was thinking since the car is from the same manufacturer & if im not mistaken..same platform too, it will be less of a hassle.

As for the tires..well it does rain quite a lot at my place. I reckon 60% sunshine, 40% rain. Im gettin mix answers on the azenis...im not lookin at running fast when it rains...but the current set of tires i have is giving me problem when i go thru puddles of water. How would you all rate the azenis, ziex and yokos avs against each other?? Im totally lost when it comes to brakes and quality tires.

Nvr knew doing the brakes can be such a headache.. . After reading the last few replies...ive got to think whether im goin ahead with the swap/not. If i am, it prob be better to change the brakes after the swap.


Modified by slow-mo at 4:04 AM 5/29/2003

 

Thx for your contact .rj But ermm...i dont leave in the states..actually..quite far away. Thx anyway

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slow-mo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will i encounter the same thing if i opt for aftermarket brakes such as wilwood/endless/aem & etc?? If they are, i may have to find other alternatives...maybe try changing the brake pads & put in steel braided line. The reason i wanted to fit in dc5 ones is because i was thinking since the car is from the same manufacturer & if im not mistaken..same platform too, it will be less of a hassle.Modified by slow-mo at 4:04 AM 5/29/2003</TD></TR></TABLE>

You won't encounter that problem if you buy brakes designed for your Civic. If you buy any RSX brake set-up, it's going to be constly to change all of axles. Otherwise, like a lot of people said... there are better alternatives.

Although the DC5 and DC5Rs are Hondas, you have to keep in mind that although Civics and Integras are basically cars born from the Civic chassis there are still going to be different parts that fit differently. In some cases, they will fit. Some require a little work or a lot.

Some parts from a different car you may want require extra parts (such as the axles, driveshaft) and if they don't fit, you might have to chop something up to make it work. When it comes to brakes, considering the aftermarket support for the Civic - it's not worth it. But if you wanna do it, then do it if you can afford it. But in the end, it's 5 times the hassle of just buying a new set of brakes that work for your car. It's considerably less effort putting a K engine in the car than the brakes that come with the car.

On the other hand... if you want to upgrade your rears, the Si rear disc brakes is an option. You would still need a few extra parts but not that many.

 

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That's because he has the DC5R brakes on his ride, and not the ones off an RSX. I heard from him wheel spacers solve the problem, but I have yet to see the problem solved. </TD></TR></TABLE>

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he asked for DC5R not RSX, so I answered his question.

 

K, i get what you mean Well, with all your negative replies on swapping of brakes, i think i would opt for aftermarket brakes that are made for my car. Though i would still need to think about the engine swap before doing any changes to the brakes. As for changing the rear, im not too concern on that, as i have no intention of changin the rear only...as far as i know it doesnt contribute much..however, if i do get aftermarket brakes..i will opt to change all four, as im quite paranoid about putting big brakes in the front, and leaving the rear stock (not to mention small)..afraid it may cause inbalance. Thanks for all your replies...your replies really help me make a decision.

 

Hehe... mah bad.