Since SSB and SSC cars are bumpted to H4/H5,
Is there any provision for a T2 ITR getting bumped down to H3?
I assume no since there is no mention in the rules, but I thought it would be worth bringing up in case it is an oversight, and since it follows the line of logic for SS getting bumped down.

 

If the ssb and ssc mean show room stock, then the answer is no. I asked a year ago when I still had my ITR.

When I first saw who posted, I wanted to answer NO, you cant put a WRX in the HC.

 

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Is there any provision for a T2 ITR getting bumped down to H3?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No.

 

Why not? Prep is the same

 

Isn't the S2000 also classed in T1/T2?

 

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T2, along with the ITR and at one point the 4th gen prelude vtec.

 

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Per the GCR, the T2 ITA can run the Honda Motorsport Performance Pkg: 600f/800r springs, Mugen 26mm rear bar, and 15x7 wheels with 225/45/15 tires. Touring already allows any single tube shocks. race weight is 2600 min.

More like a H2.5 than H3.

 

Motors are (bone) stock?

 

Interesting, i thought T1/T2 was stock with the exception of shocks/brake pads/fluids/tires.

That race weight is without driver and with full interior right? With a stock motor and 2750-2800 lbs race weight, i dont see why, even with the 'honda motorsport performance package' the car wouldnt be a good fit in H3.

 

I agree. A stock ITR motor will make around 170 WHP, about where an ITS/H3 GSR should be. (Assuming the stock crack HP ~= IT WHP formula). The GSR H3 weight with driver will put the GSR about 200 lbs below the ITR making up for the ITR's bigger brakes. H3 sounds good to me.

Now here is the catch. You need to have a real deal T2 ITR, with log book and all, for this to work. You cannot just show up with an ITR that fits that bill and expect to run in H3. Also, since a T2 ITR is not classed, if some1 plans to run one in the near future, they should let Karl know about it today and he can make the final call. Showing up at the track with one and expecting Karl to drop prepping his car to deal with it would not make him happy I am sure.

 

there's no reason a SCCA tech inspector couldnt issue a logbook for one. The car should still be classified.

 

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Can be balanced and blueprinted, but not overbored. I/H/E stock except can run a cat-back. Can alter ECU within original housing(must meet emissions). Can pull radio, a/c and all related parts. Can run a stock or aftermarket LSD.

 

All of this in T2? Hrm...

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Can be balanced and blueprinted, but not overbored. I/H/E stock except can run a cat-back. Can alter ECU within original housing(must meet emissions). Can pull radio, a/c and all related parts. Can run a stock or aftermarket LSD. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

HMmmm!! I thought a stock ITR made 195hp?

 

195 flywheel hp... they put down between 165-168 at the wheels.

 

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Yea .. sounding more and more like H2. Show me a T2 ITR that wants to run with us, then we can worry about it.

 

goddammit. there goes my pipe dream. thanks jerry

 

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Well built IT cars make more whp than the stock rating. ITA RX-7s make about 130rwhp vs 105hp stock engine rating. I'd be willing to bet a 6 pack of your brew of choice that ITA CRXs also make more than the stock 108hp rating.

Kirk probably has tons of this info from his IT2 project.

 

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That is my plan. Take stock ITR, get an official SCCA T2 logbook and race it. There is a nice 97 for sale that I am looking at for this purpose. So being able to race it in H3 would be a very strong decision point on whether or not to buy the car.
So this is why I ask now, before buying the car.

 

EDIT: I take it back. I though I read I/H/E are allowed. Oh well.

 

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Ding ding ding! We have a winner. I won't swear that all this is correct (not doubting Jerry, I just don't happen to know), but this is the idea. It's not as different from an H2 ITR as a SSB GS-R is from an H3 car.

Besides...I get the impression Touring is kind of a moving target. Trunk kits could get added or subtracted or changed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by krshultz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Besides...I get the impression Touring is kind of a moving target. Trunk kits could get added or subtracted or changed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is correct. T1/2 are much more prone to trunk kit changes than SSB/SSC.

 

Yes, only lubricants, spark plugs and air filters are free. And any exhaust from the cat back.

 

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And what else, since you have a T2 ITR? Just so we can get the straight poop

 

help me here guys......It says (the class rules that is), that all Integra R's are classed in H2, correct? Whether it is bone stock or bored (within the rules of course) etc...........so why would anyone be entertaining the idea of running it in H3?
or am I missing something????