I was getting ready to get my rod bearigns for the build up and realized that stock honda stuff goes in colors for clearances and what not .
I was told to go with ACl bearings i guess. but who carries them .?
thanks in advance

 

http://www.ks-motorsports.com/...28a53

PM Kyle he can probably give you a better deal.

 

thanks Nate i pmed him.

 

i'm interested too! kyle pm me.

 

Pete, I'll get you the ACL's when it comes time. Nate's are on the way.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93LSivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nate's are on the way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

ACL's are much cheaper than the OEM bearings, but the thing to be most concerned about is whether or not the ACL bearing set you get is the correct size for you crank/rod setup. as you mentioned Honda rod and crank bearings are in colors which mean different thicknesses/sizes for different clearances. i've always used Honda OEM bearings dispite the extra $$, cause i can gauge them before hand and then order what i need. BUT if you have an engine with worn crank and rod journals you may need bearings that are larger than what the OEM can supply.
the largest OEM size bearing may not provide the proper oil clearance, being too loose. so then you'll need ACL bearings which normally comed oversized from what i've been told. for instance the motor i'm building now needs mostly BLUE crank bearings to yield .0015" of clearance, but what happens when i want to rebuild it again after sometime. i'll need oversized bearings in the appropriate sizes.

the question that comes to mind for me is: can you pick what sizes you need with the ACL, or is it a standard oversized bearing set?

that's what i'm concerned with the most, getting a set of bearings that has the correct clearances for the motor i'm building without modifiying/shaving the bearing surfaces at all (like some pro builders/racers do).

 

BTW if you don't get the ACL's locally then Earl should have them as well.
he's a great guy and can help you out. as is Kyle from KS too.

 

Actually sweet, your wrong. The acl's are pretty much middle of the line as far as stock bearings would go. I dont have specs, but they are similiar to the greens--which are pretty much middle of the road.
If you search you will find that almost every person who has used them came out to being within factory spec....and if not then you can mix in an oem bearing.

You have just been wasting you money this whole time On the next build give them a try---im sure you wont be dissapointed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93LSivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually sweet, your wrong. The acl's are pretty much middle of the line as far as stock bearings would go. I dont have specs, but they are similiar to the greens--which are pretty much middle of the road.
If you search you will find that almost every person who has used them came out to being within factory spec....and if not then you can mix in an oem bearing.

You have just been wasting you money this whole time On the next build give them a try---im sure you wont be dissapointed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

see that's the thing i was concerned about, the bearings being "in the middle" or all one size and being oversized. i'm not saying there's anything wrong with using ACL bearings, just that i don't want to buy a set and only be able to use a couple of the bearings out of it. i'd like to be able to order exactly what i need, or very close to it. Green bearings won't get me anywhere close to the clearance i need.

but i haven't ordered my new bearings yet for this motor so i'm still open to the ACL bearing set, if i can get the sizes i need.

let me know what you have or can get and i may order a set very soon.

thanks

 

so how do you like your racerxmotorsports sponsorship

 

i love it i get my back scratched pretty well .

 

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I don't think any professional engine builder will call OEM honda bearings a waste of money...

 

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I don't think any professional engine builder will call OEM honda bearings a waste of money...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok, I should have said something like....money that could have been placed elsewhere. Also, I am in no way saying to not use oem bearings.
For the money the ACL's are awesome, they are tri-metal just like oem and under most circumstances they will be within factory specs. If they arent within spec then there isnt any reason why you couldnt mix in a single oem bearing and still save money over top of a full set of factory bearings.

 

Building a motor is serious stuff and i can't imagine any engine builder mixing two different manufactured bearings in a motor. That's just now how you do things. If your clearances are off with the acls then either the crank needs to be turned or the caps ground and line honed. Do it right and do it once...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Building a motor is serious stuff and i can't imagine any engine builder mixing two different manufactured bearings in a motor. That's just now how you do things. If your clearances are off with the acls then either the crank needs to be turned or the caps ground and line honed. Do it right and do it once...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree tony. you should never mix the bearings always use the one set that you have by align the main caps so that you can use the correct bearings traigth across.

 

hmm, good point. This was something that was passed onto me by someone a while back, and now that I remember this was a personal opinion and obviously not a very educated one. Thankfully I've never had bearings that were not within spec. Ive used both oem and acl's---but never together. I deserve a for not even giving enough thought into what i was typing before i posted.

 

i've always used OEM bearings, never the ACL's. i'm not saying that the ACL bearings aren't good quality, just that i never used them cause i was under the impression they only come in a "one size fits all" type of set. standard or oversized for cranks that were "turned down". which in turn most likely wouldn't be the properly sized bearings for motors i've built and the one i'm building currently. that's why i've used only new OEM bearings and gauged them to the proper spec, though they cost considerably more $$. i'd love to save some $$ and get a complete set of ACL bearings that i could use on the block, and not spend as much on OEM ones.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sweet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've always used OEM bearings, never the ACL's. i'm not saying that the ACL bearings aren't good quality, just that i never used them cause i was under the impression they only come in a "one size fits all" type of set. standard or oversized for cranks that were "turned down". which in turn most likely wouldn't be the properly sized bearings for motors i've built and the one i'm building currently. that's why i've used only new OEM bearings and gauged them to the proper spec, though they cost considerably more $$. i'd love to save some $$ and get a complete set of ACL bearings that i could use on the block, and not spend as much on OEM ones. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I've never had a need to go with any other bearing but OEM's, so thats all I use. OEM Honda is a slight bit pricey, but nothing's better IMHO

 

I just put my engine together, well kinda. I just measured the clearances and I used honda bearings. Earl and mike use ACL, but the way I see it is if it works continue to use it. BTW, I did use split colors in some of my rods and mains. For example, I used a Green upper and a yellow lower to achieve the perfect clearance. Kinda like how the ITR do it.

 

this is kinda off topic, but what is the price difference about between stock and ACL bearings...

 

I dont know, I dont pay full retail on OEM bearings.

 

Hey I recogonize thet crank fixture...Fortworth, I think

 

The price difference is about 150.00 dollars for the full bearing set, including thrust bearings.

I use OEM honda bearings on all the Honda engines I build/use. While ACL's seem to be close, they are not the same as Honda bearings. If you break them down onto a structural level/design you'll find that there would be a decent amount of differences. If I were building another OEM brand engine, I might look into ACL's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Arturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> BTW, I did use split colors in some of my rods and mains. For example, I used a Green upper and a yellow lower to achieve the perfect clearance. Kinda like how the ITR do it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats what I was trying to get across. The factory colors symbolize different sizes or thickness'....am i right? I mean the block is stamped and the cranks are etched, but there is always gonna be a little wear in there somewheres.