I know this probably isn't necessary, but I have been doing mods and posting impresions here for awhile now and it just wouldn't seem right now if I didn't...

I installed Goodridge SS brake lines today. Install was no problem at all once I figured a few small things out (like the bolt from the hard line to the connector does not go in all the way). After the install I flushed and bled the brake fluid (Motul 5.1) with the help of my wife...

First impressions were what I expected after talking to other people and reading posts here. Brake pedal was fairly soft but not crazy soft. The brake pedal seemed to be at a higher position than before the install (on OE lines) - I thought that was a bit strange.

I will drive for a few days to see if they firm up on their own and then bleed again if not. That should do the trick.

 

Glad to see you finally got those on

 

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And of course a big thanks To Mike at IPS - he always has the good stuff I need and doesn't mind chatting on the phone...

Here's to you Habit-supporting Honda-modifying IPS Racing Man...

 

I'm in the same boat as you!

I installed the goodridge kit sunday evening. I also think that the pedal is a bit..."mushy"...

Installation was smooth, other than the fact that I broke a banjo bolt trying to torque it down, so I used all OEM banjo bolts instead. (later research realized that the goodridge banjo bolts usually break after 20ft/lbs).

Now back to the pedal. I am re-bleeding my system yet again tonight with Motul RBF600. I think there may be some air still in the system because the pedal is so soft and has a lot more travel than before. My assumption was that the pedal would be a lot firmer than before, not less firm. It seems like it grabs really good once I get the pedal way down there though.

I would really like to know if SS lines are suppose to make the pedal travel more before initial grab, and should it seem this "mushy" (for a lack of a better word). I remember my OE brake setup was really touchy...you touch the brakes and you stop...it seems like these you have to really get your foot down there to get anything to happen.

Edit: mE kant spel

 

Flux: Just curious if those Goodridge lines had a coating on the outside?

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George

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by geometro &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Flux: Just curious if those Goodridge lines had a coating on the outside?

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George</TD></TR></TABLE>

The kit I recieved had no form of coating...

I should also throw out a nice to Mike @ IPS for the great service on the brake lines

 

When I did SS lines and Spoon calipers, the brake pedal was no longer an "on and off" proposition like it is with the oem stuff and good pads.

Now, I can modulate the pedal much better. Or, if I still want, I can slam it as well. I just have to push the pedal a little further down now, which is fine. I'd much rather have the extra control when braking.

 

I will be able to test out the modulation tomorrow during the lapping day. Just doing some test driving, it seems much easier to engage ABS than before. It just isn't as "comforting" to have a less-stiff pedal I guess.

 

anyone have any info how to install the SS brake lines? and bleed the brakes? i dunno how.. any detail will be great thanks!!

 

Bleed the brakes after you drive the car abit and you will get better pedal feel. I took me a couple tries till i got it just right.

 

yes they are good SO buy mine!!! https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=516758

 

Yeah I just installed Techna Fit lines which are supposedly made from the same people that used to work for Goodridge.

When I test drove it the brakes felt like they started to make contact at a higher position but took alot more effort and distance to make them stop the car.

Like everyone else they are very "mushy". So I rebled them and they were just alittle better but still soft. I believe they must be bled a few times over a certain period of time. I'm going to rebleed soon as I need new pads anyways.

 

just the brake line alone won't make BIG different, but how u feel on the padel is all about bleed, and it's annoying and takes time

 

one thing you must do when bleeding the R brakes is have the engine running. This will allow the ABS to bleed properly. I had the same problem after my SS line install, (mushy pedal), but after bleeding with the engine running they are hard as a rock. Instant pedal feel, your teeth fly out and bounce off the windshield now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlapSmak &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">one thing you must do when bleeding the R brakes is have the engine running. This will allow the ABS to bleed properly. I had the same problem after my SS line install, (mushy pedal), but after bleeding with the engine running they are hard as a rock. Instant pedal feel, your teeth fly out and bounce off the windshield now.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is the first time I had heard that...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlapSmak &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">one thing you must do when bleeding the R brakes is have the engine running. This will allow the ABS to bleed properly. I had the same problem after my SS line install, (mushy pedal), but after bleeding with the engine running they are hard as a rock. Instant pedal feel, your teeth fly out and bounce off the windshield now.</TD></TR></TABLE>

can anbody confirm this?? sounds correct to have the abs running but does anybody know if it is necessary?...or do all abs cars have to do this certain procedure to have the motor running?

 

I don't have ABS so I was able to eliminate that as a source of a problem when I installed my lines.

I have the same opinion as everyone else - at first the pedal seems "slushy" but in trade for the higher pedal is a much more linear feel to the pedal. The braking feel is now much more related to real pedal travel rather than the "on/off" someone mentioned.

Definitely a good mod, and the extra control over the threshold between stopping and locking calipers is nice.

 

I put the techna-fit lines on 3 yrs ago with the car off. I didn't let the level of fluid get to low while putting the lines on, then flushed the system.

From the very beginning, they are hard as a rock, easy to modulate & NO MUSHINESS. If you are feeling mushy brakes, there is air in your system or one of the bleeder valves is not completely tight. It only takes a VERY small leak to cause a mushy pedal...

SSbrake lines WITH the teflon coating on the outside (red of course )

 

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can anbody confirm this?? sounds correct to have the abs running but does anybody know if it is necessary?...or do all abs cars have to do this certain procedure to have the motor running?</TD></TR></TABLE>

as far as confirming it, i have bled my lines on fluid changes between races, and to goto different race fluids, and the ONLY way it has been firm after bleeding is to bleed with the car running. This is my personal experience talking, and the only way i bleed brakes on my R

 

Bleed the abs system? lol. My theory would be that the vibrations from the engine running are knocking bubbles in the caliper or lines loose.


Why install ss lines just to get mushy brakes? I like the feel of the stock lines. I don't buy the modulation theory, I can modulate the brakes just fine. And going deeper with the brake pedal would make heel/toe more cumbersome, imo.

 

Update: Drove the car about 65 miles today and the brakes are already feeling very nice...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Flux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Update: Drove the car about 65 miles today and the brakes are already feeling very nice...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good to know, thanks Flux!

 

Flux, did you bleed with the car running??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Batoutahell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Flux, did you bleed with the car running??</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, just a regular flush/bleed...

 

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as far as confirming it, i have bled my lines on fluid changes between races, and to goto different race fluids, and the ONLY way it has been firm after bleeding is to bleed with the car running. This is my personal experience talking, and the only way i bleed brakes on my R</TD></TR></TABLE>

kinda interesting to hear this.....I never bleed the brake with my car running, and I always got the firm brake feel.
Anyway, when I do the brake bleeding (on the R), I do hear some "bump moving" noise coming from the ABS unit.

I may give a try to bleed my brake with the engine running next time to see if there will be a different.