Prepped for Petersburg?
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Prepped for Petersburg?
Some of you may know that after a long absence my baby finally came home last weekend. Some very cool work has been as we try and push the limit of power a DSP integra can make. Just in time too, with the Petersburg ProSolo right around the corner. Unfortunately my first of National of the year is also only my 3rd event of the season.
This thread started off as a basis for ideas https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=300518 on how we could make some usable power under SP rules. I took one of the more exotic approaches and turned it into reality. ITBs and Electromotive making up the majority of the work done.
She came home on Saturday afternoon and almost immediately ended up in the garage on jack stands to receive the new suspension. By mid-day Sunday, I was comfortable with everything so it was time to play around with some shock settings. So far I'm VERY impressed with the Advance Design shocks. The only down side so far is the adjusters are difficult to reach with the key in the front of the car. Stupid STB is in the way. Ride quality is superb considering the 650F/800R rates on the car. Balanced is really the keyword. I just wish I had time to push the limits and dial them in with some Hoosiers before Petersburg. That's what Friday practice is for right?
Monday... The car is running very rich and Chris left his laptop power cable in my car when he dropped it off. So I take off from work at 1:00 and drive up to Red Shift in Kingston, PA. The new shocks and springs have over 200 miles on 'em now so we figure its settled enough to corner weight and align.
Here's where the car started when we brought it in to the shop :
Empty :
LF = 834
RF = 747
LR = 413
RR = 477
Total = 2472
Cross % = 53.0
Here's what we came up with after about 5 rounds of adjustments :
Empty :
LF = 799
RF = 781
LR = 447
LR = 444
Total = 2472
Cross % = 50.2
With Me :
LF = 873
RF = 812
LR = 525
RR = 470
Total = 2681
Cross % = 50.0
Not too shabby huh? The car handles like a dream except for inch total toe out up front! OOPS, Talk about twitchy!! Nothin' a little alignment can't fix tho. I sure hope we can use camber kits next year in SP cause the car has some SERIOUS camber now! ... or at least more then I'd like. About -3 up front and a hair over -2 rear. Handles VERY well so far! I'll have to take some temperature readings this friday to be certain.
We changed a sensor that was bad replaced and axle seal then went out to try and clean up the fuel mapping a little to help set things up for the dyno later this week. So we drove around for about and hour or so. Chris had his laptop plugged into the tec3. I drove the car under different levels of throttle while he monitered all the engine details real-time on his laptop. We managed lean out most of the idle and low-end and fatten up WOT and the high RPM band. The car is already stronger then it was 24 hours ago. We should have some numbers for you guys to check out tomorrow after some dyno tuning.
Downside of all this? We did find a small leak in my exaust after the resonator in the cat-back. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do about this one... Maybe nothing until after Petersburg. Its always something tho right?
Needless to say I'm giddy with anticipation for the Petersburg Pro this weekend despite my VERY limited seat time this year. I think the car is in the best shape its ever been. I just hope I'm up to the task
. Thats it for now everyone! Just thought I'd share. To those going to Petersburg? I'll see ya there!
This thread started off as a basis for ideas https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=300518 on how we could make some usable power under SP rules. I took one of the more exotic approaches and turned it into reality. ITBs and Electromotive making up the majority of the work done.
She came home on Saturday afternoon and almost immediately ended up in the garage on jack stands to receive the new suspension. By mid-day Sunday, I was comfortable with everything so it was time to play around with some shock settings. So far I'm VERY impressed with the Advance Design shocks. The only down side so far is the adjusters are difficult to reach with the key in the front of the car. Stupid STB is in the way. Ride quality is superb considering the 650F/800R rates on the car. Balanced is really the keyword. I just wish I had time to push the limits and dial them in with some Hoosiers before Petersburg. That's what Friday practice is for right?
Monday... The car is running very rich and Chris left his laptop power cable in my car when he dropped it off. So I take off from work at 1:00 and drive up to Red Shift in Kingston, PA. The new shocks and springs have over 200 miles on 'em now so we figure its settled enough to corner weight and align.
Here's where the car started when we brought it in to the shop :
Empty :
LF = 834
RF = 747
LR = 413
RR = 477
Total = 2472
Cross % = 53.0
Here's what we came up with after about 5 rounds of adjustments :
Empty :
LF = 799
RF = 781
LR = 447
LR = 444
Total = 2472
Cross % = 50.2
With Me :
LF = 873
RF = 812
LR = 525
RR = 470
Total = 2681
Cross % = 50.0
Not too shabby huh? The car handles like a dream except for inch total toe out up front! OOPS, Talk about twitchy!! Nothin' a little alignment can't fix tho. I sure hope we can use camber kits next year in SP cause the car has some SERIOUS camber now! ... or at least more then I'd like. About -3 up front and a hair over -2 rear. Handles VERY well so far! I'll have to take some temperature readings this friday to be certain.
We changed a sensor that was bad replaced and axle seal then went out to try and clean up the fuel mapping a little to help set things up for the dyno later this week. So we drove around for about and hour or so. Chris had his laptop plugged into the tec3. I drove the car under different levels of throttle while he monitered all the engine details real-time on his laptop. We managed lean out most of the idle and low-end and fatten up WOT and the high RPM band. The car is already stronger then it was 24 hours ago. We should have some numbers for you guys to check out tomorrow after some dyno tuning.
Downside of all this? We did find a small leak in my exaust after the resonator in the cat-back. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do about this one... Maybe nothing until after Petersburg. Its always something tho right?
Needless to say I'm giddy with anticipation for the Petersburg Pro this weekend despite my VERY limited seat time this year. I think the car is in the best shape its ever been. I just hope I'm up to the task
. Thats it for now everyone! Just thought I'd share. To those going to Petersburg? I'll see ya there!
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Watkinsm3)
Sounds good, but I'm still going to CRUSH you and your snazzy car!!! 
See you Friday! I'll be there early so I can work Tech...gee Matt, I sure hope your car can pass Tech 
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See you Friday! I'll be there early so I can work Tech...gee Matt, I sure hope your car can pass Tech Mike
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Watkinsm3)
glad you got your car together matt, now come over and help me finish mine.... hopefully we both don;t suck too bad on our pro solo debut's.
hopefully we both don;t suck too bad on our pro solo debut's.
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (RacerMike)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RacerMike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds good, but I'm still going to CRUSH you and your snazzy car!!! See you Friday! I'll be there early so I can work Tech...gee Matt, I sure hope your car can pass Tech
Mike
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Hahaa... I think you're gonna have you're hands full trying not to get beaten by your co-driver let alone worrying about being anywhere close to me. Actually... now that I think about it... I hope my car can pass tech too
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodney »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">glad you got your car together matt, now come over and help me finish mine.... hopefully we both don;t suck too bad on our pro solo debut's.
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Hey! Despite what you may have heard... I don't suck... unless they buy me dinner first
See you Friday! I'll be there early so I can work Tech...gee Matt, I sure hope your car can pass Tech Mike
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Hahaa... I think you're gonna have you're hands full trying not to get beaten by your co-driver let alone worrying about being anywhere close to me. Actually... now that I think about it... I hope my car can pass tech too
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodney »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">glad you got your car together matt, now come over and help me finish mine.... hopefully we both don;t suck too bad on our pro solo debut's.
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Hey! Despite what you may have heard... I don't suck... unless they buy me dinner first
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Watkinsm3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Watkinsm3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Hey! Despite what you may have heard... I don't suck... unless they buy me dinner first</TD></TR></TABLE>
yikes!
matt, do we need to schedule times to stop by and drool over your car?
nate-12:30 friday please
Hey! Despite what you may have heard... I don't suck... unless they buy me dinner first
</TD></TR></TABLE>yikes!
matt, do we need to schedule times to stop by and drool over your car?
nate-12:30 friday please
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Watkinsm3)
Unfortunately, Friday is only practice starts. No turns. So, you are going to have to make suspension changes on the fly this weekend. I am really interested in seeing how yours and Mike's cars run this weekend. Good luck everyone.
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Crosser)
Matt, can't wait to see this car running.
Mine's currently about two hours away in a garage sitting on jack stands... right where I left it Saturday night. Supposedly, it'll be rolling again tomorrow night... just in time to leave Thursday. :D
Last minute? Nahhh.... will probably do a couple more things in Petersburg.
Mine's currently about two hours away in a garage sitting on jack stands... right where I left it Saturday night. Supposedly, it'll be rolling again tomorrow night... just in time to leave Thursday. :D
Last minute? Nahhh.... will probably do a couple more things in Petersburg.
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (solo-x)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
matt, do we need to schedule times to stop by and drool over your car?
nate-12:30 friday please</TD></TR></TABLE>
...uh... yeah! and there is a 5 dollar charge... (I've got to recoupe my expenses some how)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What does Chris charge for the cornerweighting?
Anthony "Mario" Crea
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That's a good question! I'll ask him.
matt, do we need to schedule times to stop by and drool over your car?
nate-12:30 friday please</TD></TR></TABLE>
...uh... yeah! and there is a 5 dollar charge... (I've got to recoupe my expenses some how)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What does Chris charge for the cornerweighting?
Anthony "Mario" Crea
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That's a good question! I'll ask him.
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Crosser)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crosser »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Unfortunately, Friday is only practice starts. No turns. So, you are going to have to make suspension changes on the fly this weekend. I am really interested in seeing how yours and Mike's cars run this weekend. Good luck everyone.
Eric
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Yeah... I was afraid of that! Oh well... I'll just wing it! I'll just never hear the end of it from Mike if the car doesn't perform!
Eric
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Yeah... I was afraid of that! Oh well... I'll just wing it! I'll just never hear the end of it from Mike if the car doesn't perform!
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (solo-x)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">car setup is easy. don't do anything you think i would and you'll go fast!
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That's been my philosophy from the start!
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That's been my philosophy from the start!
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Watkinsm3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Watkinsm3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah... I was afraid of that! Oh well... I'll just wing it! I'll just never hear the end of it from Mike if the car doesn't perform!</TD></TR></TABLE>
No you won't. Better have some excuses ready...just in case. hahah
Yeah... I was afraid of that! Oh well... I'll just wing it! I'll just never hear the end of it from Mike if the car doesn't perform!
</TD></TR></TABLE>No you won't. Better have some excuses ready...just in case. hahah
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Watkinsm3)
You and Mike are going to have to do some street racing this weekend to see who has the ***** off the line. Should be interesting. Glad to hear you finally got it back.
See you in PBurg,
aj
See you in PBurg,
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (ajn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ajn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You and Mike are going to have to do some street racing this weekend to see who has the ***** off the line. Should be interesting. Glad to hear you finally got it back.
See you in PBurg,
aj</TD></TR></TABLE>
Should be interesting indeed... Wasn't quite what I expected but then again I'm not sure what I expected...can't make Filet Mignon from ground chuck I guess. Here's what people wanted to know...
Wet/street setup (for this weekend)
163hp
121lbs (basicly from 5k up)
Midrange is pretty fat thank god!
Dry setup (nationals only)
170hp
130lbs (again from 5k up)
Power increases of dry over wet are constant over the ENTIRE RPM range.
I'll have to see about getting the actually charts posted (that may have to wait tho). Overall I'm VERY pleased with the curves and I have a couple ideas to help clean up those numbers a bit (especially the wet setup). Anyways... cats out of the bag! All secrets revealed (unless Mike thinks I'm sandbagging). For what its worth (which is probably about a whole 35 cents), seat of the pants dyno returned EXCELLENT results. Neck snapping throttle response.... Excellent pull through the entire RPM range (especially 1st & 2nd).
Oh well... nothing else to do before Petersburg! See everyone there!
See you in PBurg,
aj</TD></TR></TABLE>
Should be interesting indeed... Wasn't quite what I expected but then again I'm not sure what I expected...can't make Filet Mignon from ground chuck I guess. Here's what people wanted to know...
Wet/street setup (for this weekend)
163hp
121lbs (basicly from 5k up)
Midrange is pretty fat thank god!
Dry setup (nationals only)
170hp
130lbs (again from 5k up)
Power increases of dry over wet are constant over the ENTIRE RPM range.
I'll have to see about getting the actually charts posted (that may have to wait tho). Overall I'm VERY pleased with the curves and I have a couple ideas to help clean up those numbers a bit (especially the wet setup). Anyways... cats out of the bag! All secrets revealed (unless Mike thinks I'm sandbagging). For what its worth (which is probably about a whole 35 cents), seat of the pants dyno returned EXCELLENT results. Neck snapping throttle response.... Excellent pull through the entire RPM range (especially 1st & 2nd).
Oh well... nothing else to do before Petersburg! See everyone there!
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (RacerMike)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RacerMike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds good, but I'm still going to CRUSH you and your snazzy car!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>
RacerMike's car is on the road, and man is it FAAAAASSSSSSTTTT! He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!
</TD></TR></TABLE>RacerMike's car is on the road, and man is it FAAAAASSSSSSTTTT! He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (sloWS6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sloWS6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RacerMike's car is on the road, and man is it FAAAAASSSSSSTTTT! He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!</TD></TR></TABLE>
DUDE!!! You were suppossed to keep that on the down-low! I'm hoping no one notices the twin-turbo setup. I mean it kinda does look like my A/C unit....
Mike
DUDE!!! You were suppossed to keep that on the down-low! I'm hoping no one notices the twin-turbo setup. I mean it kinda does look like my A/C unit....
Mike
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (sloWS6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sloWS6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
RacerMike's car is on the road, and man is it FAAAAASSSSSSTTTT! He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!</TD></TR></TABLE>
:knees shaking: oh-no!!!!
RacerMike's car is on the road, and man is it FAAAAASSSSSSTTTT! He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!</TD></TR></TABLE>
:knees shaking: oh-no!!!!
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (sloWS6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sloWS6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's cause you were towing the Fire(2 ton)chicken..!!
He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's cause you were towing the Fire(2 ton)chicken..!!
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (sloWS6)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sloWS6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
RacerMike's car is on the road, and man is it FAAAAASSSSSSTTTT! He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!</TD></TR></TABLE>
thank god in autocross you still have to turn!
nate-who would/will/does get 0wn3d in a straight line
RacerMike's car is on the road, and man is it FAAAAASSSSSSTTTT! He totally destroyed me (in the Lightning!) yesterday from a stoplight!! Watch out DSP'ers!</TD></TR></TABLE>
thank god in autocross you still have to turn!
nate-who would/will/does get 0wn3d in a straight line
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (solo-x)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
thank god in autocross you still have to turn!
nate-who would/will/does get 0wn3d in a straight line</TD></TR></TABLE>
we have to turn????
Mike
thank god in autocross you still have to turn!
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we have to turn????
Mike
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (RacerMike)
well.......i'm sure matt wouldn't mind too much if you didn't.
matt, that's some good power you're making from that beast. can't wait to hear that thing scream. so, now that you've spent money on _everything_ you can, what do you plan to do now?
nate
matt, that's some good power you're making from that beast. can't wait to hear that thing scream. so, now that you've spent money on _everything_ you can, what do you plan to do now?
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matt...so, now that you've spent money on _everything_ you can, what do you plan to do now?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hopefully learn how to drive! BWAHAHAHA...sorry Matt, I just couldn't resist. The sad thing is you are not even going to be on here to defend yourself before Monday...
Mike
matt...so, now that you've spent money on _everything_ you can, what do you plan to do now?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hopefully learn how to drive! BWAHAHAHA...sorry Matt, I just couldn't resist. The sad thing is you are not even going to be on here to defend yourself before Monday...
Mike
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Re: Prepped for Petersburg? (Watkinsm3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Watkinsm3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Wet/street setup (for this weekend)
163hp
121lbs (basicly from 5k up)
Midrange is pretty fat thank god!
Dry setup (nationals only)
170hp
130lbs (again from 5k up)
Power increases of dry over wet are constant over the ENTIRE RPM range.
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FAWK...
Were you trying to his this thread Matt? I ignored it for so long because of the title but then I saw it was you who started it and Mike was posting to it so I had to check out what was going on here. I'm glad I did.
What's with the "dry" setup only for nats? What's the difference between the two?
Hey Mike, any dyno numbers on your car?
Wet/street setup (for this weekend)
163hp
121lbs (basicly from 5k up)
Midrange is pretty fat thank god!
Dry setup (nationals only)
170hp
130lbs (again from 5k up)
Power increases of dry over wet are constant over the ENTIRE RPM range.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
FAWK...
Were you trying to his this thread Matt? I ignored it for so long because of the title but then I saw it was you who started it and Mike was posting to it so I had to check out what was going on here. I'm glad I did.
What's with the "dry" setup only for nats? What's the difference between the two?
Hey Mike, any dyno numbers on your car?