ITR Manifold:



Old ITR/B16A Hondata gasket:



Same pic with red marks showing where changes have been made:



The red marks in the center are holes. The red mark on the top right is a tab. The shop I bought it from was unaware of this, and called Hondata for me, but was unable to get any explanation from them other than this was the correct gasket. I called and spoke with someone who treated me like an idiot by claiming "There's no design change." There IS a change I told him and tried to get an explanation why. His response was "That's just the way they are." I felt like I was talking to a robot.

Now I don't know if this is some kind of manufacturing flaw or if there was an existing problem with the older gaskets and this is the fix, but it seemed to me that this person was clearly not telling the truth. I don't get it! You see the ITR manifold, and there is no reason for these holes to be there. Why would Hondata be so tight lipped about this unless there was a problem/mistake that they didn't want to pay to fix/recall?

 

Take a picture of the "wierd one" and post it here.

 

Unfortunately, I don't have a digital camera, but the holes are exactly where the red marks are.

 

A picture is worth a thousand words.
You need a picture.

 

its pretty safe to say there is nothing wrong with the old design... its just a gasket.

 

I was wondering about this myself. i got one of the hondata gaskets that has the tab and the holes in the middle's. hopefully this won't effect the abilities of the gasket at all.

 

I don;t want to offend anyone...but I have a simple question..

"why do the holes even matter? They are not helping or hurting"

 

Maybe it's not a real Hondata gasket.

 

i just got three im gaskets and they all had the holes, but they did not include the washers. I emailed them and they said that they dont supply the washers anymore but thats about it. mine came in hondata packages. did yours?

 

I think he may be right and you are an... I mean, seriously man...how in GOD's name could there have been a design flaw in a gasket, especially when it is shaped just like the stock one, correct? I'm sure that for one reason or another someone decided it is easier to manufacture this way, or cheaper by $0.10 per gasket to make...my money is against a conspiracy

Wait, I'm wrong! Your gasket is backwards!

 

I think he may be right and you are an idiot I mean, seriously man...how in GOD's name could there have been a design flaw in a gasket, especially when it is shaped just like the stock one, correct? I'm sure that for one reason or another someone decided it is easier to manufacture this way, or cheaper by $0.10 per gasket to make...my money is against a conspiracy

Wait, I'm wrong! Your gasket is backwards!

 

Here's a half-assed photo-chop (poor man's digital camera):



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If I was an idiot, then I wouldn't have noticed the difference. I like to ask questions when I just shelled out $60+ for a piece of plastic. I'm sure it will work ok, but there has to be a reason other than "That's the way they are." I'm not saying it's any kind of conspiracy, but a reasonable response from tech support would be nice.

EF8_Fan, no there wasn't any packaging or washers. They don't use the washers anymore so people don't have to use longer studs.

 

thats pretty low of hondata to be so "quiet" about it. what a poor way to treat its customers

i guess technically one would think that there would be less insulation from heat with those holes there, but i'm sure its not noticable since its not direct contact. even so, an explanation should be in order.

 

After I talked to Javier, he just told me that is how it is now. I do not think it changes anything about the way the gasket works.

About the washers, they are no longer included. If you really want to run them you can pick them up at Home Depot for super cheap.

If I remember I will take a picture tomorrow of one of the new B16 ones and post it up.

Kyle

 

kyle, i was tryin to get a hold of you awhile ago for hondata, but every email i sent you got returned to me. So i went aheand and picked it up somewhere else. SORRY.

 

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I use to work at a shop and they had the knock off brand, they where also white but the edges werent smooth

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF8_Fan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">kyle, i was tryin to get a hold of you awhile ago for hondata, but every email i sent you got returned to me. So i went aheand and picked it up somewhere else. SORRY.</TD></TR></TABLE>

E-mail server crashed last week. Took us 2 days to get it fixed.

Sorry,

kyle

 

Look, there is no conspiracy!!!

They are the same gasket, the holes are of no consequesnce. It's just the way they were cut. If you look at a stock gasket, they have the same holes.

It's just the way they were cut. There is no better explanation than that. What do you want to hear?







Modified by Spunkster at 12:52 AM 5/13/2003

 

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just go to Lowe's or Home Depot, the nylon washers are liek 5 cents each

stan

 

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from a reputable company? anything besides the bs he was told.

i wonder where i can get a blank piece of high temp nylon..

 

The holes are probely fore guides to hold it in place while cutting it..

 

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from a reputable company? anything besides the bs he was told.

i wonder where i can get a blank piece of high temp nylon..</TD></TR></TABLE>
ya, lets sell them for $20. i dont get the $60 thing...for christs sake, I have a sled in my backyard that I can cut apart and get some plastic out of...the sled cost $20, and its a helluva lot more plastic than one of these gaskets

I know is thermoplastic and you gotta pay for all the tooling, etc. Also a good alternative to paying $40 for a stock one that you have to replace everytime you take the i.m. off...

 

they have great products, but their cust service and tech suck *****, they are idiots there and i cringe every time i need to get on the phone with thme . . to find out i wasted long distance charges to be made to look like an ***

 

all this arguing over something that doesn't even matter.

And don't use plastic or nylon washers. They don't sell them anymore for a reason.

Its in your best interest to not use them.

But you can second guess them all day and nite, and argue over washers too if you want.

Can anyone guess why the washers are bad? I know why.

Jeff

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ImportReview &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all this arguing over something that doesn't even matter.

And don't use plastic or nylon washers. They don't sell them anymore for a reason.

Its in your best interest to not use them.

But you can second guess them all day and nite, and argue over washers too if you want.

Can anyone guess why the washers are bad? I know why.

Jeff</TD></TR></TABLE>

i really didnt care to much for the washers but a customer did and was pissed. They dont include the washers anymore because you have to extend the studs to make the intake manifold fit with the washers and the gasket. and the washers didnt do too much of a difference.

Anyway, why are they bad??