my 2nd si tranny **** the bed yesterday at carlisle. i did a awsome burnout and everything went fine. later that night i went to put it into reverse and the pos wont go into reverse! i can drive it fine every other gear works fine. i also am a decent driver and i can say thaT i did nothing wrong to make this happen.

what can i do to make this tranny indestructable?? i dont want to have to go through this **** every year. i am autocrossing this car so i dont want a lsd.
i was thinking about a d16a1 tranny so i can use the intermedeit axel and not get tork steer. is the a1 tranny any better than the a6 tranny?? are the gear ratio's better for a 12.1:1 cr sohc vtec?

thanks for the help i know little about tranny's.

-larry

 

heh i have a dx tranny and i just got an si tranny so ill see what ill do.. ill keep this post bumped cuz i want a killer sohc cable tranny

 

k a lil tranny 101 for all of you thannxs toa lil lesson from my friend Mista bone

88-91 civic/crx tranies are veyr famoud for braking on us... dont blame the quality of the tranny.... its age and wear..... this is a list of parts that can go wrong on a tranny...

bad mainshaft bearing


bad countershaft bearing


bad differential bearings


famous broken select forks


bad synchros


and maybe worst of all, because hes a silent killer, and if he breaks the whole tranny is destroyed (more than likely all 88-91 have this veryyyy worn out ,maybe in the merge of breaking)


in summary.. if u want a long lasting beating tranny u need to make sure all ur synchros are good, make sure bearings are good, make sure u get a rebuilded differential, get a phantom grip, or a quaife (best diff ever)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4gsicivichatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i did a awsome burnout and everything went fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmmm burnout, then tranny went out, could this be a connection? I wonder....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4gsicivichatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my 2nd si tranny **** the bed yesterday at carlisle. i did a awsome burnout and everything went fine. i was thinking about a d16a1 tranny so i can use the intermedeit axel and not get tork steer. is the a1 tranny any better than the a6 tranny?? are the gear ratio's better for a 12.1:1 cr sohc vtec?

-larry</TD></TR></TABLE>

Im sorry but I cant resist- Thats what you get for going to a bama *** show like Carlise.

 

can you take a better picture of the bad synchro, and bearings so that i can see the damage. also, how did you pull the mainshaft, and countersahft bearings from the clutch side of the case. did you use a special bearing puller, can you shed some light on this! thankx!

 

Heh, that pic was from a DX tranny. The Si tranny has bigger bearings and will take more power. Input shaft bearing is probably the highest failure item, and the DX is much smaller than the Si. The Differential can be fixed by going aftermarket. This is why I fear the phantom grip setup, as the diff isn't that strong to begin with.

 

I don't think you can just bolt up the D16A1 tranny and use the intermediate shaft because I know the intermediate shafts bolts up to the engine and your D16A6 might not have those bolt holes since it never came with an intermediate shaft.

 

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Agreed! I was there Saturday and that was the first and last time I am going.

 

You said yourself you did a "awesome burnout"....hmm that just might have contributed. I just put a new diff. in my trans, cause mine was in 3 pieces just like the picture. Guaranteed that is what broke on yours, that is what spins the axles, and when you dump a clutch all the tire friction is going directly to the diff. Bottom line is burning out is not good for any tranny especially 10+ yr. old l3's. Stop being cool and burning out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by markw &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heh, that pic was from a DX tranny. The Si tranny has bigger bearings and will take more power. Input shaft bearing is probably the highest failure item, and the DX is much smaller than the Si. The Differential can be fixed by going aftermarket. This is why I fear the phantom grip setup, as the diff isn't that strong to begin with.

</TD></TR></TABLE>Sorry sir but all the pics ARE from my SI tranny....maybe u need to look a lil closer

 

Okay, the tranny is around 10-13 years old. Has a lot of mileage on it and it seems that you race with it.

VERY common problem with the SI transmissions (in my experience) is the 1-2 shift fork breaks. The chunk that breaks off wedges itself so you can't engage reverse. You probably grind shifting into 2nd at higher RPMs also, huh?

Anyways, take apart the tranny, change the shift fork and you're good to go. it's 50 bucks a piece from honda for a shift fork. They break because they're ALUMINIUM. Mis-shifts/powershifts and wear and tear will take them out over time.

 

was this you????




it was a black crx on sat around noon lol, guy in the car on the left was callin cops on whoevers black crx it was burning out, behind it was a saturn doing the same damd thing

 

im thinking that the d16a1 tranny will have a different mount than the a6 tranny...just cause i know you can bolt it into a 84-87. but id be interested in the gearing of the a1...if they have anybetter gears can you put them into the a6 tranny casing? kinda like using zc tranny gears. where can you find the gear ratios for the a1 tranny?

 

Supposedly the 90-91 Si trannys are geared the closest. Ive driven a couple old skool tegs and 5th doesnt feel anything like 5th in my Si trans.

 

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no that wasnt me but i am really intersted in the a1 tranny. has anyone ever done this?? could a bracket of some kind be made to bolt the intermedet shaft on? i did notice some extra holes on the back of my d16z6 block.

thanks
larry

 

well i think a a1 tranny is a lost cuase they dont bolt up right ot the chassie nor the block... but a tranny from a zc does bolt up to the car and the engine... they come with an intermediate shaft to cut down on your turqe steer... and if you put a si final drive in there you will have a very close ratio tranny on your hands...

scarponze

 

remember, 3/4 motor mounts are on the tranny, and thats why its very hard to put the A1 in a 88-91 rex... custum mounts are an option$$$$.

 

use zc gears and an si final drive. aparently our trans are retardedly easy to rebuild. havent taken one apart but my friend rebuilt his si an y1. said its cake.

 

you said you didn't want a limited slip because you auto-x'd, I'm kinda curious why you said that, I'm not a huge auto-x'r, YET, so maybe I'm missing something but I do beleive LSDs are good for the turns???

 

^^^^ that looks familar. lol. car doesnt move after that ***** up.

 

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^^^^ that looks familar. lol. car doesnt move after that ***** up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

^^whats that?

 

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^^whats that?</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats the differential pin
that is inside the differential and hols togheter the spider gears wich turns the axles,....i fthat breaks, gears fall out, loking the differential and causing a kaboom!

 

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lmao yeah its real awsome when you turn and one wheel dosnt spin faster than the other.

 

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lmao yeah its real awsome when you turn and one wheel dosnt spin faster than the other.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Moron.

Go to an autoX. Ask about any true racer there if they have an LSD, or would like to get one as soon as possible.

This is what you will hear...

"Yes I have one"
or...
"I would get one if I had the money"
or...
"I'm currently saving for one"

A clutch Type is best for AutoX/road racing as they will still send power to both wheels even if one is off the ground.

A Quaife is really the best option if the car will be daily driven, and you dont feel like rebulding the diff every year.

Again on you for wondering why your tranny broke. If you abuse it, it will break. Simple as that.