15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think?
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15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think?
Ive been lookin to buy a new civic Si...as a cruiser...and something that has AC and is a honda....soo i cant go wrong...but i was plannin on dropping it on some nice wheels and the ones ive seen...mostly on 16's, well the wheels look too small...what do yall think? 17's needed? or nah?
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Re: 15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think? (Thats-so-Ls)
Not slammed yet, but 15" looks fine to me.
http://www.darksci.net/~chunky...2.JPG
btw, that's 225/50/15 rubber on a 10.7lb 15x7 rim.
there's more to beauty than size.
http://www.darksci.net/~chunky...2.JPG
btw, that's 225/50/15 rubber on a 10.7lb 15x7 rim.
there's more to beauty than size.
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Re: 15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think? (chunky)
I too am running 15's. I have a 205-55-15 Bridgestone GIII on some old skool Racing Harts. BTW, the wheels are red
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Re: 15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think? (hired gun)
yea I'd say 15s are too small...looks wise only. 16s are the best compromise. Get 16s.
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Re: 15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think? (chunky)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chunky »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not slammed yet, but 15" looks fine to me.
http://www.darksci.net/~chunky...2.JPG
btw, that's 225/50/15 rubber on a 10.7lb 15x7 rim.
there's more to beauty than size.</TD></TR></TABLE>
WHOA! I woiuld really like to put a wider tires on my rims. Do your 225s rub at all? HOw wide are your rims? 225s would my TEs would make a big difference I think thats why i want ot get a fatter tire. Right now im running Parada 205/45zr/16
http://www.darksci.net/~chunky...2.JPG
btw, that's 225/50/15 rubber on a 10.7lb 15x7 rim.
there's more to beauty than size.</TD></TR></TABLE>
WHOA! I woiuld really like to put a wider tires on my rims. Do your 225s rub at all? HOw wide are your rims? 225s would my TEs would make a big difference I think thats why i want ot get a fatter tire. Right now im running Parada 205/45zr/16
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlairSpeed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">those 15" look really small in my opinion. If your going to spend $ on rims, why not buy bigger, better performing/better looking rims? I would not go smaller then 17s mos def!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Better performing? However do you mean?
17s even if light weight or forged would perform worse compared to a 15 the same weight. It takes more energy/inertia to rotate a larger wheel whereas it takes less for a 15.
The only other difference is steering response but as most 17s are 17x7/17x7.5, you can get the same response from a 15x7 rim and have the lighter weight.
I think 15s & 17s can look great, and hell I have 17s but I am rolling on 15s now. IMO, the right drop/tire profile can bring out the looks of a wheel & a car better than just sticking on wheels whether they bling or ding.
Better performing? However do you mean?
17s even if light weight or forged would perform worse compared to a 15 the same weight. It takes more energy/inertia to rotate a larger wheel whereas it takes less for a 15.
The only other difference is steering response but as most 17s are 17x7/17x7.5, you can get the same response from a 15x7 rim and have the lighter weight.
I think 15s & 17s can look great, and hell I have 17s but I am rolling on 15s now. IMO, the right drop/tire profile can bring out the looks of a wheel & a car better than just sticking on wheels whether they bling or ding.
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15 x 6.5 Heliums here, and I'm very happy with them. I think 15's look fine as long as the tires are nice and wide. Stiffer sidewall tires will help add the turn-in benefit you'd get from big wheels, and a little bit of flex will make for a quieter ride.
The only downside is you might be limited on big brake upgrades, but you're fighting less inertia to stop with a lighter wheel anyway.
Though 17s look fancy, smaller wheels are good from a performance standpoint, esp for auto-x. Like many have said, 16's are a good compromise, but the tires are somewhat limited and costly in 16.
The only downside is you might be limited on big brake upgrades, but you're fighting less inertia to stop with a lighter wheel anyway.
Though 17s look fancy, smaller wheels are good from a performance standpoint, esp for auto-x. Like many have said, 16's are a good compromise, but the tires are somewhat limited and costly in 16.
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Re: 15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think? (Josh02Si)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Originally posted by Josh02Si
WHOA! I woiuld really like to put a wider tires on my rims. Do your 225s rub at all? HOw wide are your rims? 225s would my TEs would make a big difference I think thats why i want ot get a fatter tire. Right now im running Parada 205/45zr/16
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Right now, with a stock drop, there is no rubbing at all. Once I drop the car, the front will be fine even with 0 camber. The rear will require rolling the fenders with 0 camber, with -1.5 camber I might be able to get away with not rolling the fenders.
Keep in mind that I also have wheels with a +37 offset. This means they are 5mm farther out than stock offset (+42). That's almost a 1/4 increase, plus the 1/2" farther out the tire is over stock. So the outside edge of the tire is 3/4" farther out v.s. stock. That translates into a wider track. which translates into a lower roll center.
If you get an offset of +45, you probably won't need to roll the fenders with 225 tires.
WHOA! I woiuld really like to put a wider tires on my rims. Do your 225s rub at all? HOw wide are your rims? 225s would my TEs would make a big difference I think thats why i want ot get a fatter tire. Right now im running Parada 205/45zr/16
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Right now, with a stock drop, there is no rubbing at all. Once I drop the car, the front will be fine even with 0 camber. The rear will require rolling the fenders with 0 camber, with -1.5 camber I might be able to get away with not rolling the fenders.
Keep in mind that I also have wheels with a +37 offset. This means they are 5mm farther out than stock offset (+42). That's almost a 1/4 increase, plus the 1/2" farther out the tire is over stock. So the outside edge of the tire is 3/4" farther out v.s. stock. That translates into a wider track. which translates into a lower roll center.
If you get an offset of +45, you probably won't need to roll the fenders with 225 tires.
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Re: 15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think? (chunky)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chunky »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Right now, with a stock drop, there is no rubbing at all. Once I drop the car, the front will be fine even with 0 camber. The rear will require rolling the fenders with 0 camber, with -1.5 camber I might be able to get away with not rolling the fenders.
Keep in mind that I also have wheels with a +37 offset. This means they are 5mm farther out than stock offset (+42). That's almost a 1/4 increase, plus the 1/2" farther out the tire is over stock. So the outside edge of the tire is 3/4" farther out v.s. stock. That translates into a wider track. which translates into a lower roll center.
If you get an offset of +45, you probably won't need to roll the fenders with 225 tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well I need to find out my offset im not entirely sure. I have 16" te37s with the paradas. I would really like to mount some 225s on their. Currently I have GCs on my car but they are coming off these weekend and I am putting on Tein S. Tech springs.
Right now, with a stock drop, there is no rubbing at all. Once I drop the car, the front will be fine even with 0 camber. The rear will require rolling the fenders with 0 camber, with -1.5 camber I might be able to get away with not rolling the fenders.
Keep in mind that I also have wheels with a +37 offset. This means they are 5mm farther out than stock offset (+42). That's almost a 1/4 increase, plus the 1/2" farther out the tire is over stock. So the outside edge of the tire is 3/4" farther out v.s. stock. That translates into a wider track. which translates into a lower roll center.
If you get an offset of +45, you probably won't need to roll the fenders with 225 tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well I need to find out my offset im not entirely sure. I have 16" te37s with the paradas. I would really like to mount some 225s on their. Currently I have GCs on my car but they are coming off these weekend and I am putting on Tein S. Tech springs.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlammedBlueEM2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Better performing? However do you mean?
17s even if light weight or forged would perform worse compared to a 15 the same weight. It takes more energy/inertia to rotate a larger wheel whereas it takes less for a 15.
The only other difference is steering response but as most 17s are 17x7/17x7.5, you can get the same response from a 15x7 rim and have the lighter weight.
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You're sort of right, but not really.
If you get true forged, lightweight 17x7" wheels with max perfomance tires, you'll have less or equal wheel/tire weight to that of the 15" counter parts. (Unless, you're rocking small 15x6.5" SW388's which are NOT 7" width.)
For an example:
Typical forged lightweight 15x7" wheels weigh: ~12lbs
Typical 205/50/ZR15 max performance tires weigh: ~22lbs
Total: 34 lbs.
Typical forged lightweight 17x7" wheels weigh: ~15 lbs
Typical 215/40/ZR17 max perfomance tires weight: ~20lbs (smaller side wall = less weight)
Total: 35 lbs.
Notice with 15" wheels, the weigh is shifted towards the outside diameter (i.e. 15" tires are heavy... espeically Azenis); however, with 17" wheels/tires has the weight spread out towards the center.
Using physics, it will cost you more to turn the wheels/tires that has the weigh on the outside, than towards the center.
Of course, depending on the wheels and tires, your results may vary. But, it's simply wrong to just say that 17" wheels/tires combo will handle worse than 15" wheels/tires combo.
At the track, I would rather run 17" wheels/tires than 15" wheels/tire for better steering resonse, and a slightly better accelation. (<u>If money was not an issue.</u>) The disadvangate that 17" combo has is the price. It's a lot cheaper to buy forged 15" wheels & max perf tires. Try buying forged 17" wheels with max perfomance tires. You have a huge price difference.
To me, 16" is the perfect compromise for a street machine. Good enough looks with good performance.
Better performing? However do you mean?
17s even if light weight or forged would perform worse compared to a 15 the same weight. It takes more energy/inertia to rotate a larger wheel whereas it takes less for a 15.
The only other difference is steering response but as most 17s are 17x7/17x7.5, you can get the same response from a 15x7 rim and have the lighter weight.
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You're sort of right, but not really.
If you get true forged, lightweight 17x7" wheels with max perfomance tires, you'll have less or equal wheel/tire weight to that of the 15" counter parts. (Unless, you're rocking small 15x6.5" SW388's which are NOT 7" width.)
For an example:
Typical forged lightweight 15x7" wheels weigh: ~12lbs
Typical 205/50/ZR15 max performance tires weigh: ~22lbs
Total: 34 lbs.
Typical forged lightweight 17x7" wheels weigh: ~15 lbs
Typical 215/40/ZR17 max perfomance tires weight: ~20lbs (smaller side wall = less weight)
Total: 35 lbs.
Notice with 15" wheels, the weigh is shifted towards the outside diameter (i.e. 15" tires are heavy... espeically Azenis); however, with 17" wheels/tires has the weight spread out towards the center.
Using physics, it will cost you more to turn the wheels/tires that has the weigh on the outside, than towards the center.
Of course, depending on the wheels and tires, your results may vary. But, it's simply wrong to just say that 17" wheels/tires combo will handle worse than 15" wheels/tires combo.
At the track, I would rather run 17" wheels/tires than 15" wheels/tire for better steering resonse, and a slightly better accelation. (<u>If money was not an issue.</u>) The disadvangate that 17" combo has is the price. It's a lot cheaper to buy forged 15" wheels & max perf tires. Try buying forged 17" wheels with max perfomance tires. You have a huge price difference.
To me, 16" is the perfect compromise for a street machine. Good enough looks with good performance.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Originally posted by Cosworth
You're sort of right, but not really.
If you get true forged, lightweight 17x7" wheels with max perfomance tires, you'll have less or equal wheel/tire weight to that of the 15" counter parts. (Unless, you're rocking small 15x6.5" SW388's which are NOT 7" width.)
For an example:
Typical forged lightweight 15x7" wheels weigh: ~12lbs
Typical 205/50/ZR15 max performance tires weigh: ~22lbs
Total: 34 lbs.
Typical forged lightweight 17x7" wheels weigh: ~15 lbs
Typical 215/40/ZR17 max perfomance tires weight: ~20lbs (smaller side wall = less weight)
Total: 35 lbs.
Notice with 15" wheels, the weigh is shifted towards the outside diameter (i.e. 15" tires are heavy... espeically Azenis); however, with 17" wheels/tires has the weight spread out towards the center.
Using physics, it will cost you more to turn the wheels/tires that has the weigh on the outside, than towards the center.
Of course, depending on the wheels and tires, your results may vary. But, it's simply wrong to just say that 17" wheels/tires combo will handle worse than 15" wheels/tires combo.
At the track, I would rather run 17" wheels/tires than 15" wheels/tire for better steering resonse, and a slightly better accelation. (If money was not an issue.) The disadvangate that 17" combo has is the price. It's a lot cheaper to buy forged 15" wheels & max perf tires. Try buying forged 17" wheels with max perfomance tires. You have a huge price difference.
To me, 16" is the perfect compromise for a street machine. Good enough looks with good performance.
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You have it backwards, the 17" tire typically will be heavier even for the same width/overall diameter. Not by much mind you, but I have yet to see a case where the same model tire was lighter in a 17" size than a comprable 15" size. The reason is b/c there is LESS sidewall, the sidewall has to be stiffer. to achieve the same load ratings as a 15" with a softer sidewall.
Secondly, the 17" wheel will have more of it's mass FARTHER from the center. Suppose the tire weighs the same for a 15" and 17" and has an overall diameter of 24". That means on the 15" the weight of the tire is spread over the outer 4.5" of the wheel/tire (7.5-12" from the center). for a 17" the same wieght is spread over the outer 3.5" of the wheel/tire (8.5-12" from the center). So the same mass concentrated farther out from the center.
Also, forged 15" wheels are typically 10lb or less. I have a cast 15" wheel that is 10.7lb that is as strong as forged wheels from 2 yrs ago.
For most hondas, the 15" is still king as far as performance goes. Exceptions being the larger/heavier cars that NEED bigger OVERALL wheel/tire diameters Like the cl/tl/accord. When the overall wheel/tire diameter is significantly larger than 24", you're better off with a 16" wheel or larger.
You're sort of right, but not really.
If you get true forged, lightweight 17x7" wheels with max perfomance tires, you'll have less or equal wheel/tire weight to that of the 15" counter parts. (Unless, you're rocking small 15x6.5" SW388's which are NOT 7" width.)
For an example:
Typical forged lightweight 15x7" wheels weigh: ~12lbs
Typical 205/50/ZR15 max performance tires weigh: ~22lbs
Total: 34 lbs.
Typical forged lightweight 17x7" wheels weigh: ~15 lbs
Typical 215/40/ZR17 max perfomance tires weight: ~20lbs (smaller side wall = less weight)
Total: 35 lbs.
Notice with 15" wheels, the weigh is shifted towards the outside diameter (i.e. 15" tires are heavy... espeically Azenis); however, with 17" wheels/tires has the weight spread out towards the center.
Using physics, it will cost you more to turn the wheels/tires that has the weigh on the outside, than towards the center.
Of course, depending on the wheels and tires, your results may vary. But, it's simply wrong to just say that 17" wheels/tires combo will handle worse than 15" wheels/tires combo.
At the track, I would rather run 17" wheels/tires than 15" wheels/tire for better steering resonse, and a slightly better accelation. (If money was not an issue.) The disadvangate that 17" combo has is the price. It's a lot cheaper to buy forged 15" wheels & max perf tires. Try buying forged 17" wheels with max perfomance tires. You have a huge price difference.
To me, 16" is the perfect compromise for a street machine. Good enough looks with good performance.
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You have it backwards, the 17" tire typically will be heavier even for the same width/overall diameter. Not by much mind you, but I have yet to see a case where the same model tire was lighter in a 17" size than a comprable 15" size. The reason is b/c there is LESS sidewall, the sidewall has to be stiffer. to achieve the same load ratings as a 15" with a softer sidewall.
Secondly, the 17" wheel will have more of it's mass FARTHER from the center. Suppose the tire weighs the same for a 15" and 17" and has an overall diameter of 24". That means on the 15" the weight of the tire is spread over the outer 4.5" of the wheel/tire (7.5-12" from the center). for a 17" the same wieght is spread over the outer 3.5" of the wheel/tire (8.5-12" from the center). So the same mass concentrated farther out from the center.
Also, forged 15" wheels are typically 10lb or less. I have a cast 15" wheel that is 10.7lb that is as strong as forged wheels from 2 yrs ago.
For most hondas, the 15" is still king as far as performance goes. Exceptions being the larger/heavier cars that NEED bigger OVERALL wheel/tire diameters Like the cl/tl/accord. When the overall wheel/tire diameter is significantly larger than 24", you're better off with a 16" wheel or larger.
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But, it's simply wrong to just say that 17" wheels/tires combo will handle worse than 15" wheels/tires combo. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Accelerating, yes.
Turning seems to be a personal preference of steering response to the driver. I agree with Chunky's last post.
Wheel options (as per size) does vary by the weight of your car.
This makes me bring up why Honda has put 17s on their new EP3 and DC5 Rs. I know they're not the lightest Hondas anymore (although I'd like to see some hard #s by the lb)... and neither are their wheels. I'm not against them cuz they look damn good. I assume they did it because of the added weight. I was only able to discover from a ricer mag that Tien's DC5R is well over 2,900lbs. Is that acurate? It would make sense on why the wheels are bigger.
But, it's simply wrong to just say that 17" wheels/tires combo will handle worse than 15" wheels/tires combo. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Accelerating, yes.
Turning seems to be a personal preference of steering response to the driver. I agree with Chunky's last post.
Wheel options (as per size) does vary by the weight of your car.This makes me bring up why Honda has put 17s on their new EP3 and DC5 Rs. I know they're not the lightest Hondas anymore (although I'd like to see some hard #s by the lb)... and neither are their wheels. I'm not against them cuz they look damn good. I assume they did it because of the added weight. I was only able to discover from a ricer mag that Tien's DC5R is well over 2,900lbs. Is that acurate? It would make sense on why the wheels are bigger.
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SlammedBlue...If you looking for accurayte wieghs,my EP came in at 2640 with no spare and half a talk of gas...I know a few other owners that came in at 2640 also.........But back to the topic...15by7s here and i would personally NEVER go bigger than a 16.
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The new CTR wieghs in at just a notch over 2700lb. The DC-5r is probably about the same.
The reason why those two cars get 17" wheels stock is b/c of the monster brakes honda put on them.
The reason why those two cars get 17" wheels stock is b/c of the monster brakes honda put on them.
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Hehe, true... 
I guess it's not as heavy as I thought but I'd still like to see some #s for the DC5R. I had them somewhere on my HD (along with all the specs head to toe) in kg but I don't know where they are... nor do I know how to put kg into lbs.
I guess it's not as heavy as I thought but I'd still like to see some #s for the DC5R. I had them somewhere on my HD (along with all the specs head to toe) in kg but I don't know where they are... nor do I know how to put kg into lbs.
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Re: 15's.....16's seem too small for even a slammed ep3? what does everyone think? (Thats-so-Ls)
****, he said he wants the Civic for a 'cruiser.' Go with 17s! You can keep the stock wheels for some race rubber if you want, but 15s look absolutely tiny.
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For most hondas, the 15" is still king as far as performance goes. Exceptions being the larger/heavier cars that NEED bigger OVERALL wheel/tire diameters Like the cl/tl/accord. When the overall wheel/tire diameter is significantly larger than 24", you're better off with a 16" wheel or larger.[/QUOTE]
What's the diameter of the factory 15" wheel on the EP?
What's the diameter of the factory 15" wheel on the EP?
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What's the diameter of the factory 15" wheel on the EP?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you serious? Think about that question for a second.
What's the diameter of the factory 15" wheel on the EP?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you serious? Think about that question for a second.
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Re: (chunky)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chunky »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
For most hondas, the 15" is still king as far as performance goes. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Chunky - 15" is king of performance in what kind of racing? On the track, price not being a constraint, 15" wheels and tire combo is not the king. You won't notice a big difference in autoX or street racing by having lightweight 15" wheels and tire combo over 17" fored wheels.
However, it's a damn good bang for the buck, since you'll be spending hundreds less than lightweight fored 17" combo.
As for 15" tires being lighter than 17" tires in same brand, same model and same width, I do not buy it. If you have same width tires that have same rolling diamter. How can one with taller sidewall (15") weigh less than the one with less sidewall (17")? Think about it, same tread width , so the weight difference comes from the sidewall.
And, going back to my original statement: it's simply wrong to just say that 17" wheels/tires combo will handle, perform worse than 15" wheels/tires combo. Any street driven car will notice very little to no difference. In autoX, the only difference is that 15"s have better and cheaper tire selection.
For most hondas, the 15" is still king as far as performance goes. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Chunky - 15" is king of performance in what kind of racing? On the track, price not being a constraint, 15" wheels and tire combo is not the king. You won't notice a big difference in autoX or street racing by having lightweight 15" wheels and tire combo over 17" fored wheels.
However, it's a damn good bang for the buck, since you'll be spending hundreds less than lightweight fored 17" combo.
As for 15" tires being lighter than 17" tires in same brand, same model and same width, I do not buy it. If you have same width tires that have same rolling diamter. How can one with taller sidewall (15") weigh less than the one with less sidewall (17")? Think about it, same tread width , so the weight difference comes from the sidewall.
And, going back to my original statement: it's simply wrong to just say that 17" wheels/tires combo will handle, perform worse than 15" wheels/tires combo. Any street driven car will notice very little to no difference. In autoX, the only difference is that 15"s have better and cheaper tire selection.