Today i met up with some friends and one of my buddies has a 2nd generation teg (92 GS to be exact). He wanted to race my 94 GSR, so we raced and well enuf said (he knew he would lose but wanted to see how he could keep up). After, He was trying to tell me that a stock 2nd generation teg would beat a stock 3rd generation teg. I don't believe this is possible? Is it? I dunno but I said an OBD1 3rd Generation teg (GS.LS.RS) would because of the OBD1 (94-95) and because the RS (the example I used) is lighter. What does everyone here say? What is the answer to this qusestion?

 

90-91 gs ls rs = 130 HP
92-93 gs ls rs = 140 hp
94-01 gs ls rs = 142 hp


so 92 gs vs. a 95 gs

WHO WILL WIN? i dont own this car but I was just wondering because stats are similar.

 

depends on weight of car. (driver of course also but that has nothing to do w/ the car itself)

 

I would say it is very close and depends a lot on tires/traction and driver.

I have personally raced my friends 90 RS (full exhaust) with my 95 LS (I/H/E) and have no problem beating him.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xero-cool &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would say it is very close and depends a lot on tires/traction and driver.

</TD></TR></TABLE> we are trying to assume that both cars are stock.(hence tires/traction is not a logical point when comparing two stock cars) Lets remember we are comparing cars, not mods /drivers.

 

a stock 2nd get ls/rs is just as fast as a 3rd gen rs/ls
they have the same engine and they weigh almost exactelyl the same

 

when i had my b18a (130hp) in my 91 integra, i had intake, exhaust and testpipe. i raced my friends 97 integra ls with same modz and beat him by 2 cars. we also did it from a rolling start, i beat him by even more cars.. and no, the 2nd gen and 3rd gen does not weigh the same.. 2nd gen integras are about 300 pounds lighter..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91integraLSVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when i had my b18a (130hp) in my 91 integra, i had intake, exhaust and testpipe. i raced my friends 97 integra ls with same modz and beat him by 2 cars. we also did it from a rolling start, i beat him by even more cars.. and no, the 2nd gen and 3rd gen does not weigh the same.. 2nd gen integras are about 300 pounds lighter..</TD></TR></TABLE>

really ??hmm i thaught the g2s were heavyer.learn somthin new everyday

 

Most G2's with original engines have well over 100,000 miles on them. the same can't be said for G3's. Engine condition is another factor.

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Tom

 

G2 GSR vs. G3 GSR, could be a drivers race.... other than that I don't know how (if both cars are similiarly modded), how the G2 can beat the G3?

 

my friend has a 91 gs with i/h/e and i have a 98 ls with intake, and we raced and he bairly beats me... by like a 1/2 car on the freeway, and we haven't raced off the line but my car feels faster off the line then his... but if i get exhaust and header, i know i'll pull on him easily

 

92 gs vs 95 gs

ok everything the same: driver...tires...everrthing

the weight and power will be the factor

so ill say the 2nd gen

 

G2's are lighter. Remember no air bags and all the other safety features were built into this car (ex. side impact beams)

 

i'm sittin under 60k still.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91integraLSVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2nd gen integras are about 300 pounds lighter..</TD></TR></TABLE>
i seriously doubt the weight differnce is 300lbs. that would mae the gen2 teg weigh less than a 92+ civic.
according to the team-integra.net articles (and every other online source i could find ex edmunds) the gen2 and gen3 tegs wiegh almost the same. the gen2 rs (lightest gen2) weighs 2544, while the gen3 rs weighs 2529 lbs.
id like to see where you got that number from.

 

i beat my friends 2000 gsr all the time, and ihave a 92 gsr, he has i/h/e, has intake, but i have a full audio system that weighs alot, g2 tegs are better

 

i hate to say this but i've put many 3rd gen ls in the rearview in my 91 ls. now for the 2nd gen if you got a RS than you got the lightest 2nd gen out, and i think they DO weight 300 lb less than a 3rd gen. i'll go see if i can get the exact weights.

 

ive read that the 2nd gen weighs about 2560...i dont know if that was the gs or the rs. and ive read that a 94 ls weighs in the neighborhood of 2640 and the gsr weighs like 20 pounds more than that. and the 94 rs weighs like 2530...just to let you know i got that info from edmunds.com if you wanna check it out yourself

 

ok i got the 2nd gen weights i guess i was wrong.... oh well you learn something new everyday....

90-91

2dr 4dr
manual= 2560 2606
automatic 2615 2661

92-93

manual= 2643
automatic 2701


Got my info from http://www.g2ic under the stock spec section. it came str8 outta the factory sale book. i always though the 90-91 RS was the lightest teg out im still gonna keep looking.

 

What do you run because I BEAT UP on G2 GSRs, I mean bad, the fastest I've seen one one at the track NOT on slicks was only like a 15.3, I dunno... I raced a 92 GS yesterday w/ i/h/e/c/testpipe/weight reduction (ie gutted) froma 2nd gear roll and just walked him WAY TOO EASY, I mean, from 1st it was even WORSE, if a G2 GSR IS faster I've yet to see one, that's all, I'd even go so far to say that equal driver the 94RS and a 93LS would run SIMILAR times but the RS should still win, that's all.

 

um...i said i beat 94-up LS said nothing about GS-R's so.....

as for how fast i run it doesn't matter..... the integra doesn't get used for racing anymore..........

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiR-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I raced a 92 GS yesterday w/ i/h/e/c/testpipe/weight reduction (ie gutted) froma 2nd gear roll and just walked him WAY TOO EASY, I mean, from 1st it was even WORSE</TD></TR></TABLE>


and of course your MUCH shorter gearing compared to his had nothing to do with it; it must be that 2nd gen integras are just crappy right?

 

it doesn't matter which one wins, the G2 is still better looking and is less isolated feeling from the road. and you'll have fun with either one, they are both Tegs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiR-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What do you run because I BEAT UP on G2 GSRs, I mean bad, the fastest I've seen one one at the track NOT on slicks was only like a 15.3, I dunno... I raced a 92 GS yesterday w/ i/h/e/c/testpipe/weight reduction (ie gutted) froma 2nd gear roll and just walked him WAY TOO EASY, I mean, from 1st it was even WORSE, if a G2 GSR IS faster I've yet to see one, that's all, I'd even go so far to say that equal driver the 94RS and a 93LS would run SIMILAR times but the RS should still win, that's all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

do you have down syndrome? you beat up on g2 gsrs all the time? omg..i beat up on civic sis and gsrs all day long too, but anyone who knows anything knows that it comes down to driver and mods. as far as stock for stock, who cares...do you race stock cars? are you a stockcar racecar driver? the more mods somebody has, and with a better driver will always win. I could say i beat my friends fully built turbo si from a rolling start (which I have) but that doesn't account into he was in 4th gear and I was in 3rd does it? street races are stupid b/c a split second is all that matters.

as far as beating up on g2gsrs, they have a much superior transmission on you, and though a little lack in torque, they are still very capable of being quite fast.

I know a guy in columbus who ran a 15.6 w/ a turbo sohc vtec (in a hatch), and i've also heard of stock 93gsrs run 15.3 stock, so go figure-

 

I may have came off the wrong way, I'm not retarded. Someone ELSE mentioned how he beats his friends 2000 GSR in his 93 GSR all the time, I've built and owned more hybrids than most people here so I am very aware of the gearing, they can be very fast, I just haven't seen GREAT times come out of them, to me, G2 GSRs are basically a drivers car anyway, how many people do you see w/ 99-00 Sis running mid 15s? Some CAN dip into the 14's IF you know how to launch the car, the B17 is allmost identical to the B16 so is this a valid comparison. No, I wouldn't say a YS1 tranny is superior to a GSR tranny (S80) due to a more than sluggish cable clutch, it is PERFECT for the engine, but once you get around 200hp it's not a bad idea to consider longer gearing to help w/ tracion. I'm planing to go turbo w/ in the next few months so I'm sticking w/ my GSR tranny.Now, back on track...to say that the G3 is faster than a G2 becuase of OBD1 or OBD0 isn't a very good statement considering OBD1 STARTED in 92, so 92-93 G2 integras ARE OBD1. The cars are so similar, why not just search and find out which one IS faster stock than ask abunch of idiots like myself, whos cousins-uncles-brothers-mother-twice removed has seen a G2 beat everything in sight of vice versa. If I still sound like a dick I do appologize but I do make sense.