I am saving for a supercharger end of this year. What are your opinions on the Jackson Racing supercharger? And is there another recommended manufacturer? Thanks in advance for your help!

 

Gina, ... best advice is to go turbo.
Then you also get to show off the cool intercooler up front!!

 

Gina


Save you money and go with a N/A setup or go Turbo. If you go the latter of the two and do turbo the possiblities are endless(well except for money). To me personally the JRSC isnt worth the money.


Boba- who has raced many ITR w/ SC and beat everyone of them while on the bottle.

 

How much money you got to spend sista?

Due to the high compression ratio of the Type R motor stock, the JR supercharger (even with water injection) is limited to about 5-6 lbs of boost (which is not a lot). You will get more power, but at great expense. To run more boost (or a turbo) most people usually change the pistons to a low compression type (like 9:1). There have been some fit/finish issues with the JR stuff in the past that I'm not sure have been resolved yet.

Vortech is developing a centrifugal supercharger for the Integra, but it isn't available yet. It will also likely be a "low" boost setup. Centrifugal superchargers have a narrow powerband which don't mesh well with the power characteristics of the Type R motor.

There are a couple of turbo kits out there, but again you need to add a new header, an intercooler, all the turbo plumbing, electronics, fuel system changes and lots of dyno tuning make it an expensive proposition.

Forced induction generates a lot of heat and modifications need to be done to the motor to allow it to withstand this heat without disintegrating.

 

Boba, or who ever you are, I know your not in CA, but I have driven a properly SC'd 98 R, infact hes on this board, Rboosted, aka Mike, his car is sick fast, the power is very linear and has huge touque, He has tons of dyno plots, I believe hes putting 250+ the wheels now, and 190 tourque, if you match up with a correctly set up SC like his you can spray all you want, and guess what, when your bottles empty, hes still running 12's. NOS is overated.

 

People seem to do well with the Drag Gen 3 kit, and the 0.3 bar Tial wastegate.
A J&S system would make it pretty much fool proof and with nominal tuning generate 230-250 WHP.

On the otherhand a Greddy SI kit is nice, and you won't have to worry much about high fuel pressures since they supply larger injectors and some type of fuel controller.

Last but not least, TODA Spec B?

P.S. How long did it take Mike to perfect his set-up?
Even he'll admit it was a PITA untill it finally came out right.
I'm not looking to start another SC/ turbo war.


[Modified by zygspeed, 1:07 PM 6/27/2001]

 

yeh but I bring enough nitrous to the track to run all weekend. I only race at the drag strips, no street racing for me.

boba- who has run 12.6's consistantly with less than a $1200.00 in upgrades.

 

There's a lot of ITRs running 8psi on a Jackson kit. You just need some type of detonation control and some fuel system upgrades. Jackson is supposedly working on a real intercooler for the kit too, probably based off of Endynes design.

There were no fit or finish issues with mine. It bolted right up and fit perfectly the first time. The only problem we had was when they powdercoated the blower they got it in the bolt holes and we had to tap them to get it out. That took 10 minutes.

The kit took quite a bit of tuning to get it right, but now I'm happy with it. How can you not be happy beating a Mustang Cobra?

Turbos definitely make more power but they completely unbalance the car IMO. All of the kits come with a T3/T4 turbo which has big time lag and then comes on all at once. Kind of ruins what makes the ITR cool, a nice flat torque curve that revs to infinity (or close enough).

 

I hate asking stupid questions.... but whats the Drag Gen 3 kit?

 

yeh but I bring enough nitrous to the track to run all weekend. I only race at the drag strips, no street racing for me.
boba- who has run 12.6's consistantly with less than a $1200.00 in upgrades.
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Not to mention paying for all the nitrious to run on the track all day long to run 12.6's consistanly, how much have you spent on nitrious??? 1200 bucks can turn into a lot more real fast.

Nitrous is cool, but its impractical, just becasue you have a JRSC doesn't mean you street race, so you don't need to say that, I think everyone knows your opinion on that subject, kinda hard to miss with 50 posts a day. I like the JRSC becasue you get tourque, and every day driving tourque is very nice, if sometimes I want to make a qucik jump to merge or something it would be very nice to have 190Ft/lb on tap.

Turbos totally ruin the R, they make it very hard to drive under normal situations, Ill take smooth power delivery please.


Dave

 

Ask Ben @ importparts.com
He had a sale on them a few months ago.

ITR Drag Gen 3 kit http://store.importparts.com/cgi-bin.../View/DRAG98TR


[Modified by zygspeed, 4:08 PM 6/27/2001]

 

Thanks for seeing how much I post, but as of late my average is only 19.12 posts per day.


I actually have taken the nitrous off my car and I'm going with a new secret project.

 

gina, go turbo or n/a.

 

BTW - Apex'i just released their bolt-on turbo kit (w/IC) for the B16 & B18 (well in Japan anyways). The turbo is the AX53B60, dunno what kind of boost it's running, but looks like a well integrated kit.

Will try and find a pic to post.

 

Were we supposed to talk you into the Vortec? (sp)

 

Gina, go with the ENDYN supercharger. http://www.theoldone.com look for the Project Type R with the twin carbon-rotor SC. In my opinion ENDYN will eventually dominate the import scene. Jackson racing are a bunch of goofballs that are the laughing stock of the industry. I don't doubt that Rboosted's car runs hard and makes great power. But he's one out of how many? There's a white ITR in my area with a JRSC and that thing has never broken out of the 14's, THREE SEASONS AND COUNTING!!! I ran 13.7 @ 99 with I/H/E, drag rubber and race gas. Look into ENDYN, Oscar Jackson is a flake!!!

 

"I actually have taken the nitrous off my car and I'm going with a new secret project."


Well if it runs off smart A$$ remarks, or silly after post comments youll be fast as hell.

 

No offense, but hasn't Endyn been talking about that (upcoming) SC for a LONG time.

In some other industries, I think that would fall under "vaporware."

 

Well I guess i will be in the 9's then wont I?


Boba- who doesnt understand why people get so flamey over a little comment. Grow up.

 

Gina. Me personally, I would recommend going with a NA setup. For the money you are going to spend on FI, you could have a serious screamer. Some cams, valvetrain and fuel tuning and you'll be set. Well the usual bolt on parts as well. Not o mention probably easier/cheaper to install.
If you really want to go FI. I would go with a turbo kit. You can piece one together or buy a kit. Buying piece by piece is usually cheaper, but a kit is easier. Whatever way you go, just be sure to hit the dyno and tune it.

Good luck. Use this board for all it's worth. There are some very smart people on here that know what they are talking about.

James

 

I agree. Boba has good things to say, the afterthoughts are there purely for entertainment. If you don't like them, don't read them, and please don't waste our time with flames. It's a real shame when a legitimate thread turns into a flame war because some people just don't know how to get along with others. we are talking about Superchargers not Boba.

 

yep the flaming gets tiresome...
make your point and move on, life is too short...

 

***Well said!

Gina i think to get the SC to run correctly you are going to spend a lot more than you think... Your car is nice the way it is now.
Sometimes less is more

Bryan

 

even though I do not know you and havent seen your car, I think I might agree with VAtypeR00. I was thinking about this lately. A lot of people treat Mugen as the be-all, end-all of Honda tuners, and it's basically an in-house company, which further bolsters their reputation. Now why doesn't Mugen make big cams, turbos, or S/C? If Mugen really is the ****, maybe that's worth a look. Maybe it's because putting some FI **** or monster cams in is overdoing it a bit. The R is awesome from the factory, and I can't think of a better way to do an R than to go with all-Mugen parts. If I could, I would do it up that way - lowdown suspension, wing, MF10s, and the bolt-ons: I/H/E + ECU. It would still be a pure R, and would be totally sick. SC your R if you want, it will be faster, but you may lose that distinctive R experience.

 

I did the Mugen route and was really happy with the results. But being a tinkerer, I'm now a Spoon/Toda/Mugen/OMP/Eibach/Bilstein guy. I'm totally happy with the Spec B's but understand why Mugen doesn't make cams - cause the stockers are so great.

Whatever you do, it will ultimately be budget related. So then, think about your purchases, do want you want to your car and have fun. That's it. Don't let others sway you. It's your damn car for crying out loud.