Stock ITR calipers and pads, SS brake lines, and Motul 600 brake fluid?

This will be for only four 25 min sessions on the road course (HPCCC).

I boiled my brake fluid in early April with the stock brake setup at the same course in the same amount of track time. I'm going again on July 7-8th. (Heartland Park, Topeka, Kansas). It will most likely be in the high 80's or somewhere in the 90's. I know the heat will affect the brakes even more.

Thanks,
Todd

 

Factory pads can be ruined on the street.

A different set pads and you would be g00d to go. There is nothing like going hard into a turn and having the pedal go to mush.... I know... made my ITR into a 4X4 at VIR. Enough to ruin a good weekend.
Save for some pads... you will enjoy it.

Willis

 

I had the same setup and still had small ash spots....

It really depends on how aggressive you are with the brakes.

It might be OK.

 

Stock pads won't last at the track - they will disintegrate from the heat. But they should be fine for one track event. Plan on upgrading pads later but don't go unless you have at least 75% of stock pads (front).



[Modified by Big Phat R, 1:50 PM 6/26/2001]

 

Hawk HP Plus are good for track events.

Also EBC Red is good too, but I don't like em on street.

 

What you thought was the brake fluid boiling may well have been your stock pads becoming porous from the heat on the track. I would put competition brake pads as a much higher priority than brake fluid.

But stock pads are good enough in a pinch. Expect them to get spongy though.

Glen

 

I'd atleast upgrade your pads, but you could get thru one track event on the stock pads. The first time I went to Road Atlanta I'd only had my R for about 2 weeks and I ran stock pads, and didnt have any problems. I was new to the car though, so I was driving like a whoos.

 

Where can I get the Hawk HP Plus for a good price? Are they good for the street also?

Thanks!

 

Jeff and I got our HP+ pads and brake fluid from Nippon Racing.

 

HP Plus are fine on the street. They take a little bit of time to warm up though, but it's barely noticable. On the track they'll fade after 10 minutes or so if you're really hard on them. They'll never totally give out, but they're definitely not at their peak. The best tradeoff would be to swap to track-only rotors and hawk blues. They never fade. The rears would be fine staying with HP Plus, but just be prepared for them to heat up differently. ie expect a lot of rear brake bias for the first few corners until the fronts get up to operating temperature.

 

It depends on a bunch of things - how much track experience you have (if you have little or none, you won't be using the brakes as hard), the track, the weather, etc.

I have a lot of track experience. I've driven a couple of events (about 300 actual track miles) on my R with the stock setup, and the brakes were absolutely fine, no fading at all. But now I need to replace the pads because they're down to 3 mm.

 

I'd recommend getting some Porterfield R4 in the front if you're not using another set of rotors for the track. This is what I use for both the track and street. But you've gotta be able to live with the squealing sound and brake dust. But other than those minor points, imho, it's the best compromise for track and street. I can brake much much later with the R4 than the stock pads. The difference is night and day. But then again, you've gotta consider the kind of tire that you're running (I'm using 032R for both street and track), gotta make sure you don't have more braking power than the amount of traction that your tires can provide.
If you haven't bought the ss brake lines yet, then use those $ to buy new pads instead. The stock brake lines aren't that bad. but if you have the cash then obviously you should upgrade them all!

 

It also partially depends on the track itself. Race City (Calgary) is the closest track for me and it features 2 major braking zones, one from about 195-200km/hr (123mi/hr) and the other from about 140km/hr (90mi/hr) or so. Fairly long straights. One half day at the track and my stock pads were roasted. Flaking off in little bits.

Can't wait to try the HP+ that I put in... When are we having another lapping day there guys???

 

I called Racer Parts Wholesale and those IDIOTS said that Hawk doesn't make ITR brake pads. WTF?!@#

 

YD,

Just tell them to order the front pads off of a 91-95 NSX, and the rear pads from a GSR. They are the same as the R. Some places just don't get it.

 

Not for the rear! You have to use Legend Rears!!!

Look up a thread brake pads in Competition forum by me, there was TONS of good info on Hawk pads (and part numbers!)

 

All I wanted were some front pads. Thanks for the tips guys!

 

My bad, Chris is right. The rears are not the same as GSRs.

go to http://www.porterfield-brakes.com for a listing of both Hawks and Porterfields, and their applications.

 

The fronts are also the same as the Lude. There are actually a LOT of H-A cars that use the same pads. The rotors are the same too AFAICR (as far as I can remember). The rear rotors are the same as the Accord V6. The pads I forget about. Yeah.

 

Dumb people... It's probably because it's not listed in their catalog for some funny reason. I've seen boxes that say they're specifically for the ITR so I'm SURE they exist.

 

Another free mod to help keep the ITR brakes cool on the track is to remove all 4 brake backing plates/splash shields to get more air circulating around the rotors. My brake set-up includes Goodridge lines, porterfield RS-4 pads, ATE superblue fluid and, backing plates removed. works fine for the track and street. The backing plates can be removed fairly easily in the front with the rotors removed. The rears are alittle more involved.

Mattj

 

Or, dedicated track-fiends may want to do what I did with my track car - cut a hole in the backing plates, weld on a flange, and use it as a mounting point for cooling ducts from the front air dam.

BTW, I've NEVER had any problems with overheating the rear brakes at the track. Thanks to weight transfer, the front brakes take the lion's share of the braking load.

 

I'm considering going with Blues, R4's or Panthers for my first track event at VIR next month. Question is - with any of those pads, do I need to change out rear as well? As expensive as they are, I'd really like to only buy the fronts.

Also, what prices are y'all finding and from where?

 

I think I'm going to go with the Porterfield R4-S front pads only.

I've only seen pricing @ http://www.porterfield-brakes.com

 

Pat,
You can use factory pads on the rear, as long as you have plenty of material. They're all I have ever used. I've been using the R4 pads up front. Hawk Blues would be good too.. and maybe even Panther Pads(Carbotech) but I haven't personally tried them yet.