the ls/vtec swap....I have questions
Right now I own a 99 civic ex, its automatic. The car was bought for me and I cant sell it for a 5-speed. I was looking into a tranny swap, but it looks like im not going to be doing that either.
I want to swap the motor, and im going to do it real soon. I have been looking into all kinds of motors and prices and all that. I dont get on here and make dumb posts that will get me flamed like "what motor is the best?" and stuff like that.
I have been reading about the ls motor, the fact that you can add a b16 head, thus the ls/vtec. The way you can turbo it and make insane numbers. Well lately I have been interested in the B18b.
I read the post about "making 250 hp", a guy in there said that his friend has an ls motor with the revhard kit making 257hp, So from what i have been reading it seems like the b18b is a good motor cause it can handle alot, but I hear the trannys suck.
Well I have came to the conclusion that im probably going to swap in the b18b when i do it soon. What I want to know is: If I do it, will the tranny be reliable?
I want to hear opinions on this swap. What experiences have you had? Do you think a turbo would be a good idea?
I really just want something that will be reliable, but yet still make some decent power. Im not drag racing or anything like that. I just want to have some hp coming from my car.
Any recommendations on where to get one for a decent price, on what kind of turbo setup, or any other mods will be appreciated. Or any other suggestions
Thanks in advance
[Modified by Quick EX, 10:28 PM 4/8/2003]
I want to swap the motor, and im going to do it real soon. I have been looking into all kinds of motors and prices and all that. I dont get on here and make dumb posts that will get me flamed like "what motor is the best?" and stuff like that.
I have been reading about the ls motor, the fact that you can add a b16 head, thus the ls/vtec. The way you can turbo it and make insane numbers. Well lately I have been interested in the B18b.
I read the post about "making 250 hp", a guy in there said that his friend has an ls motor with the revhard kit making 257hp, So from what i have been reading it seems like the b18b is a good motor cause it can handle alot, but I hear the trannys suck.
Well I have came to the conclusion that im probably going to swap in the b18b when i do it soon. What I want to know is: If I do it, will the tranny be reliable?
I want to hear opinions on this swap. What experiences have you had? Do you think a turbo would be a good idea?
I really just want something that will be reliable, but yet still make some decent power. Im not drag racing or anything like that. I just want to have some hp coming from my car.
Any recommendations on where to get one for a decent price, on what kind of turbo setup, or any other mods will be appreciated. Or any other suggestions
Thanks in advance
[Modified by Quick EX, 10:28 PM 4/8/2003]
There was a guy with a auto del sol that put a ls tranny in there and he said it was a wiring nightmare. Somethin' that acura auto trannies have that hondas don't. He said it would of been less work just to convert to a manual. Good luck with it tho
i think everyone would agree with a b18a/b block resleeving it and boring it out to 84mm turning it into a 2.0litre new rods/pistons yada yada.. just goto http://www.exospeed.com and get the stage 4 package, get a b16a head do what you would like with it.. PnP port matching ect new cams if you wish retainers ect. this alone should put you around 200-220 range? believe Since you get it resleeved you can easily boost. If you want to go higher than that.. get a new tranny and switch it to manual.. b16a trannys.. put a lsd in it and you should be good to go.. turbo wise.. go read in the forced induction thread
but parts alone and DIY installs should run about 6k.. have a shop do it.. and your probably sitting in alot more
but parts alone and DIY installs should run about 6k.. have a shop do it.. and your probably sitting in alot more
hey guys he is not asking about swapping his sohc tranny he is asking about a full motor swap. evn though you probably don't want a sohc you could get a trans for about 200 an ecu for about 50-100 and other parts like peddle and what not for about 100 so it would be pretty cheap, but on the other hand if you want a nice pull go with the ls/vtec you will never regret it. my setup is pretty much stock jsut i/h/e and it takes out v8's wrx's and many others. it is totally worth even though you will get those people that talk **** about itsaying that they are pos but i think those people didn't build them right or just beat the crap out of it every gear. mine has over 20000 miles now and no problems. go for it turbo ls is to much money
http://www.importmods.net/honda_mods.html
http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...c.php
The C-Speed article gives the best in-depth write up that i have found.
As far as the turbo goes, just put together your own kit and save hundreds, here is a little write up i did on my site.
SHOPPING LIST:
From Local Performance Shop
Three 2.23 inch U-bend steel $17
One 2.5 inch 90 degree aluminized bend - $25
One down pipe flange $10
One down pipe gasket $8
One 1G blow off valve flange $10 (1st gen eclipse)
One 1G blow off valve gasket $4 (1st gen eclipse)
One 6mm gasket $3
One turbo-to-oxygen sensor housing gasket $5
One oil return line new $55 used $10 (may have to widen the opening)
One oil return gasket $1
One silicone 2.25 inch to 2 inch reducer hose $18
One foot of rubber 2.25 inch hose - $12 per foot
Nine 2.75 inch heavy duty clamps $2 each
One 3 inch heavy duty clamp - $2.50
One 1G blow off valve $90 new $5-$40 used (1st gen eclipse)
One 2G T25 Turbo - $25-$150 (2nd gen eclipse)
One 1G oxygen sensor housing $10-$20 (1st gen eclipse)
One 2G stock intercooler core - $10-$50 (2nd gen eclipse)
From Local Salvage Yard:
One HF CRX manifold $20 to $50
Local Auto Parts Store (pep boys/autozone)
One 60 inch long .25 hard line $1.69
One 1/8 inch NPT male to male fitting $1.49
One 1/8 inch NPT femal "T" fitting $2.19
One 1/8 inch male to 1/4 inch pipe female fitting $1.49
One 1/2 inch ID rubber hose, 1 foot $1.99
One can of high temp engine paint $3.99
Four quarts of oil $9.16
One oil filter $4.15
They did mention the adapter plate in the article, but not on the list, so here is the specs on that, word for word from the article.
Using the HF manifold as a guide, center it on a piece of .75 x 4 x 5 inche flat steel plate that is roughly big enough to mate the header and turbo. Mark and center punch the four holes on the manifold. Drill and tap with a 10mm x 1.25mm tap .5 inch deep for all four holes, but do NOT go all the way through. If you prefer you can skip this process and weld the plate directly to the manifold. But i know some people dont have welders.
Here is a pic of the adapter plate:

Tools Needed
Basic mechanics tools - Sockets, wrenches, etc.
Grinder
Tape measure
Center hole punch
Die Grinder
Drill pess/hand drill
Drill bits
2 inch hole saw
Welder
The least we spent was $225 & the most was about $560

Check out http://www.homemadeturbo.com, they have some good articles and good resources if your going to tackle this by yourself.
http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...c.php
The C-Speed article gives the best in-depth write up that i have found.
As far as the turbo goes, just put together your own kit and save hundreds, here is a little write up i did on my site.
SHOPPING LIST:
From Local Performance Shop
Three 2.23 inch U-bend steel $17
One 2.5 inch 90 degree aluminized bend - $25
One down pipe flange $10
One down pipe gasket $8
One 1G blow off valve flange $10 (1st gen eclipse)
One 1G blow off valve gasket $4 (1st gen eclipse)
One 6mm gasket $3
One turbo-to-oxygen sensor housing gasket $5
One oil return line new $55 used $10 (may have to widen the opening)
One oil return gasket $1
One silicone 2.25 inch to 2 inch reducer hose $18
One foot of rubber 2.25 inch hose - $12 per foot
Nine 2.75 inch heavy duty clamps $2 each
One 3 inch heavy duty clamp - $2.50
One 1G blow off valve $90 new $5-$40 used (1st gen eclipse)
One 2G T25 Turbo - $25-$150 (2nd gen eclipse)
One 1G oxygen sensor housing $10-$20 (1st gen eclipse)
One 2G stock intercooler core - $10-$50 (2nd gen eclipse)
From Local Salvage Yard:
One HF CRX manifold $20 to $50
Local Auto Parts Store (pep boys/autozone)
One 60 inch long .25 hard line $1.69
One 1/8 inch NPT male to male fitting $1.49
One 1/8 inch NPT femal "T" fitting $2.19
One 1/8 inch male to 1/4 inch pipe female fitting $1.49
One 1/2 inch ID rubber hose, 1 foot $1.99
One can of high temp engine paint $3.99
Four quarts of oil $9.16
One oil filter $4.15
They did mention the adapter plate in the article, but not on the list, so here is the specs on that, word for word from the article.
Using the HF manifold as a guide, center it on a piece of .75 x 4 x 5 inche flat steel plate that is roughly big enough to mate the header and turbo. Mark and center punch the four holes on the manifold. Drill and tap with a 10mm x 1.25mm tap .5 inch deep for all four holes, but do NOT go all the way through. If you prefer you can skip this process and weld the plate directly to the manifold. But i know some people dont have welders.
Here is a pic of the adapter plate:

Tools Needed
Basic mechanics tools - Sockets, wrenches, etc.
Grinder
Tape measure
Center hole punch
Die Grinder
Drill pess/hand drill
Drill bits
2 inch hole saw
Welder
The least we spent was $225 & the most was about $560

Check out http://www.homemadeturbo.com, they have some good articles and good resources if your going to tackle this by yourself.
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