I wanted to know who was running a Spoon 70mm throttle body and has it actually helped or kept the car the same or has it actually reduced any performance. Also I would like to know if anyone has a Spoon flywheel and how you feel about the performance aspect? Thanks for any help you guys can provide.

 

I know Wai has one, but the dyno we were all planning on using this past weekend is being repaired, so I'm not sure he'll be able to say for sure if did anything noticeable.

 

That sucks, well hopefully they get that dyno back up.

 

i'm using one... have lost power when the car was stock but now she's modified, it really helps.. So just don't install a TB unless you plan to do alot more esp. exhaust and cams!!!!!

 

Oops, that's not good to hear. I have a Spoon TB but only have a header.....
Let's hope to get on the dyno soon so we can solve the myth.

 

I am running the Erick's Racing 70-68mm throttle body, and I dynoed the stock ITR throttle body against it. On my setup (in my sig) I gained hp/tq all through the power band, as much as 5 ft-lbs and 5 hp, with the Erick's Racing TB.

 

personally i dont think a throttle body is even worth fooling with unless you port match it with the intake manifold. Just my .02

 

Spoon TB is 70mm Tapered to the Stock ITR 62mm size.
This is more for Throttle response than for HP.

YOur not going to gain or lose HP just have better throttle response (Maybe 2-3hp if that)

 

ahh i actually lost throttle response... dunno that's my feeling.

 

So the stock TB and intake manifold are 62mm in diameter?

 

That would be gaining then, right?

 

Yes, it is 2mm larger than the GSR's...

 

But, at what cost?

If you don't NEED the Spoon TB, as in a replacement for a damaged or missing part or a rebuild in which the Spoon part is a more feasable option as opposed to buying a New OEM one from Acura then in many peoples eyes it is just money better spent on something else.

And you can't really feel or notice 2-3 hp. You may be able to realize the throttle response but, without charts it will be hard to actually show or justify those minute improvements.

2-3 hp? I think we all need to take a spin in Wai's car this weekend? (BTW Wai I'm not bringing my Sheba's but, I will bring some pics.)

For the money spent on the TB, I'd get a LW flywheel and save a bit more for the ATS FD and have very noticeable Throttle response and acceleration gains.


A.

 

Spoon TB is fake because only the side at the rubber is milled, not the outlet. The airflow is 0% increased.
We mill our throttle bodies inlet and outlet, gaining 10% higher airflow and 6-7hp if I/H/E already is installed. Spoon is waste of money.

 

i have one and the throttle response is great, dont know if I gained anything because, im running JUN III, 12:1 compression, ported and polished head...etc

 

WOW ... that's a really strong statement bro! have you done R&D on your tb yet and have you compared the gains with other spec(erick, spoon, JG ect)?

 

I don't plan to build up just yet, but I got a good deal on a Spoon TB. I know the Ericks one is 70 to 68, I never knew that spoon was 70 to 62. Seems a little off. I also thought that the ITR TB was 64. Damn, I guess I'll wait to dyno with all 3 ( stock, Ericks, Spoon). Definitely going to get the flywheel cause I was given a good price on that plus the 9lb Spoon seems a lot better than stock. What was an ATS FD? I also was going to get the Earth code ground wires that Spoon has, but I like the HKS circle earth set-up, but my engine is basically Spoon accessories. I love the way the High tension wires look too and of course they would match the ground wires. I'm so confused about the TB though. Not even sure about their cams anymore either, and probably will get Toda or Skunk2 gears instead of Spoon although people say the Spoon and Toda gears are the same. The Spoon ones seem to weigh more.? Any suggestions for cams? I;m leaning towards JUN. I really want to know which Spoon parts are actually worth getting.


[Modified by Vspec Sol, 6:28 PM 4/8/2003]

 

Keep your stock ITR t/b for now.

Don't buy any of that stuff, save your money.

Spoon parts (in most cases) are massaged stock parts that are only worthwhile to buy if they are cheaper than their OEM counterpart.

 

wait a second i am pretty sure the itr tb is 64mm at least the 01 is.

 

The ITR t/b is 62mm.

 

True, but the Earth code ground wires are priced about the same as the Sun Auto ones and I don't really want to miss that and the flywheel is definitely lighter than stock and I have one that is the same price as the Fidanza. I'll hold off on the throttle body. Anybody know about the cams and/or cam gears? Are the gears good, are they made by the same people who make Toda? Camshaft comments? Jun, Toda or Spoon? Thanks for all this info, at least with the throttle body gone you guys already saved me $400 plus 70-62 doesn't seem as good as Ericks 70-68.

 

You don't need either of them.

Get the Fidanza, it's lighter. You can lie to people and tell them you have a Spoon flywheel if it makes you feel better.

As far as cams goes, wait for the archives to be up again (which they will be shortly). There's a wealth of info in there.

Spoon cam gears = Toda cam gears

They're the same except for the names etched on them.

 

Good info Reid. Hahah, naw I don't need to worry about the name, but I saw that the Fidanza is also 9lbs. Well from what I saw too, is that the Fidanza is about 300 to 350 or around there and the Spoon is cheaper then that.

 

get ACT prolit for $250 @ clutch city!

 

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We compared our throttle bodies with spoon...... Erics is great, but spoon is nuts.
What do you expect from a TB which lets in exactly the same amount of air like stock ?

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