ok i got my car back after blowing f22b2 motor. we put in the b1 motor and i got a vtec ecu everything went fine. took the car back to get timing tuned and crap but the mechanic when testing it out, blew the pistons in the new motor so he is gonna buy me arias pistons and put them in. i am broke now after the swap clutch and crap. my question is with upgraded pistons and since the b1 has iron sleeves, how reliable is this engine at 10psi now since pistons r upgraded. basically does it help any

 

Yes the forged arias will be much better than stock.

Boost level isnt the issue, tuning is.

 

ok kool , im also going piggyback fuel computer , which do u guys prefer. smc, s/v afc, or hks super afr. i plqn to stay around 10 psi and get a msd 3 bar map

 

werd... rrei, if you're staying at 10 psi, i'd get the vafc over the smc... but to be different, i say get the hks afr and let us know how it works out for you...

 

You dont need a 3 bar map to do 10psi

I used a vafc, fmu, missing link, and 500 cc injectors.

 

yeah i know u dont, thanks, initialy i was thinking 15psi

 

F22B1/2 SOHC and F22B DOHC have FRM in the cylinder liner... You will gouge the crap out of the lining with forged pistons and lose compression in the first year and be left with a crap block... unless you sleeve it. Call Arias and talk to a tech...they are indredibly helpful.

It's the F22A1/4/6 that have the iron cylinder lining...not the F22B1/2.

 

The above is wrong please disregard.

The F22b1 has iron linings that can be bored over per the service manual.

 

The above is wrong please disregard. Honestly I could be wrong about the F22B1/2, I will bow down to the master of F22B1 block building on this one... but I do know for a fact that the F22B DOHC does have FRM liners.... and only a slight hone job can be done...and arias suggests against using forged pistons in that engine.

You can bore FRM liners... but not very much at all, like if you were going .5 over.
What exactly does the manual say the tolerances are? and does it say EXACTLY what the liners are made out of?


[Modified by ZigenBallz, 7:46 PM 4/4/2003]

 

Rebore limit is .5mm or .020in.

No mention of FRM or anything of the sort in the 2 inch thick OEM manual.

 

thank you neidejb... you def. know your shiet when it comes to turboing an F22B1 so i wouldn't be at all surprised if you were right. I was just passing along what the Arias tech told me.... but I was inquiring about the F22A series so take it however you want.

I have no experience with F22B1/2's, just the F22A1 and F22B DOHC so I cannot say for sure about the FRM liners in the F22B1/2 or not. I do know that the H22A and F22B DOHC use it and you have to run iron sleeves when using forged pistons to avoid the cylinder wall gouging that's been seen in H22A's running forged pistons without iron sleeves.
I would make sure that the F22B1/2 uses iron cyl lining before slapping in forged
pistons.

Niedejb: You sleeved your motor right? What brand/comp pistons are you running again?

 

8.8:1 Wisecos with crower rods in an 85mm GE sleeved block

http://www.raceeng.com/

 

thanks... already have the URL...

did you have a hard time getting someone on the phone? Or is it just me? must be a Fla thing...

Oh and how long did it take you to get your order?


[Modified by ZigenBallz, 8:41 PM 4/4/2003]

 

Nope.

Ordered on a Monday got 'em on that Thursday. He had them sitting on his shelf.

 

thanks dood...

Did you run the forged pistons in your F22B1 before you had the GE sleeve put in?
Just curious...

 

No.

 

so how much boost can the stock rods handle, i know with proper tuning 10 psi but since i upgraded my pistons im trying to see where i stand. i know resleeving is an issue, just looking for the rod info now

 

The rods arent all that wimpy.

Depending on what piston you went with the pistons may still be the weakest link.

If you go aftermarket piston, the rods should be capable of 15 psi since they handled my 13 psi and look 100% after building my new F.

 

did u use the btm on your setup

 

Kind of.

Had one. Always had it set to 0 degrees retard (never needed it).