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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 03:59 PM
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I was wondering if anyone out there has experiences with N1 coilovers by TEIN or FIGHTEX. I was just wondering how Non-daily driveable they are. I have also been considering JIC FLT-a2, and read that thier potential is unbelievable. Im looking for a VERY VERY stiff ride, I want my civic to ride like a skateboard. But I dont want to cause other problems if my suspension is "too" tight. Im livin in Scottsdale, AZ where the roads are awesome and plan on doing LOTS of canyon racing this year. Also considering a 4 point cage just to add stiffness and safety(especially in the canyons). Lemme know your thoughts, thanks

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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 04:00 PM
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Wow. I'm so glad I got to post this before RJ sees it.

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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 04:05 PM
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Whats wrong with canyon racing?
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 04:06 PM
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Sorry man you missed it by one day...... April fools was yesterday.

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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 04:09 PM
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Whats wrong with canyon racing?
Dear GOD tell me you did NOT just post that!
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 04:13 PM
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canyon racing
Is canyon DRIVING ok?
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 04:17 PM
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OK then someone please clue me in on the major issue here.....if your safe and you go with 5 or 6 cars, all with nextels, do it in a blocked off stretch of road away from major citys or villages, what is the problem. On a good night we can get 50 hondas out at Camelback. Most Police actually help us out on weekends and block off our stages, so its aight. Knock on wood, nobody has ever gotten hurt, so please clue me in on the canyon racing issue?
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 04:20 PM
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OOOHHHH i just read the forum guidelines, my bad guys... disreguard and remove this topic then ..


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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 05:14 PM
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Wow - self moderation. Excellent!

Please be safe (as in don't do dangerous, stupid stuff on public roads). We need all of the live enthusiasts we can get.

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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 05:25 PM
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Whats wrong with it??????????

I dont care if you block off the road. You are in an entirely unsafe environment and uncontrolled situation. You are blasting down roads at improper speeds that the road was never designed for without adequate runoff and/or car retention devices (guardrails, tire walls). And whats worse, if something should happen to you are your car, how far are you away from an EMT? Pretty far. At the track they're 50 yards away.

A new track just opened up in phoenix. Go check it out.

If you want to "canyon carve" then just keep it to yourself. When (not if!!!) you crash we wont have any sympathy for you.

Anyone else care to take a stab? I'll lock it down before i go to bed.
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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OOOHHHH i just read the forum guidelines, my bad guys... disreguard and remove this topic then ..
OK guys, this is why we should not jump down this guy's throat.

--Karl, who sometimes feels that ignorance is bliss (and that's why I don't visit the kills forum)
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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Whats wrong with it??????????

I dont care if you block off the road. You are in an entirely unsafe environment and uncontrolled situation. You are blasting down roads at improper speeds that the road was never designed for without adequate runoff and/or car retention devices (guardrails, tire walls). And whats worse, if something should happen to you are your car, how far are you away from an EMT? Pretty far. At the track they're 50 yards away.

A new track just opened up in phoenix. Go check it out.

If you want to "canyon carve" then just keep it to yourself. When (not if!!!) you crash we wont have any sympathy for you.

Anyone else care to take a stab? I'll lock it down before i go to bed.
sad cause it's true, a good buddy of mine crashed way out in the country up here in upstate. he didn't die on impact, but he did die before the ambulance got there

be safe, race where racing is supposed to happen.

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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 05:53 PM
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I dont agree with this one. it seems like its a legal form of racing. If any of you know Rally, this is exactly how it is done on tarmac rally (atleast in japan it is). Blocked off roads, poliece involved, so I dont see ANY problem with this (this is if there are regulations, for safety).
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 06:17 PM
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I dont agree with this one. it seems like its a legal form of racing. If any of you know Rally, this is exactly how it is done on tarmac rally (atleast in japan it is). Blocked off roads, poliece involved, so I dont see ANY problem with this (this is if there are regulations, for safety).
Explain to me how a bunch of jacknobs running around on roads that have not been marked and approved by an insured sanctioning body with no safety gear is different than a real rally where the cars have a co-driver, a map and pace notes and, oh yeah - anda full rally cage and driver saftey gear with EMT on hand.

Please, i'd love to know.

RJ
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 06:31 PM
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I dont agree with this one. it seems like its a legal form of racing. If any of you know Rally, this is exactly how it is done on tarmac rally (atleast in japan it is). Blocked off roads, poliece involved, so I dont see ANY problem with this (this is if there are regulations, for safety).

Explain to me how a bunch of jacknobs running around on roads that have not been marked and approved by an insured sanctioning body with no safety gear is different than a real rally where the cars have a co-driver, a map and pace notes and, oh yeah - anda full rally cage and driver saftey gear with EMT on hand.

Please, i'd love to know.

RJ
If you read my comment WELL, you would know that I wrote "IF THERE ARE REGULATIONS, FOR SAFETY" Races dont have to have been approved by an insured sanctioning body. To run on the street (atleast from where I am from, and Id expect it to be the same with any other country), all you need is a permission from the Poliece Dept, that you will be running a well managed race. And from the explanation, it seems like its done properly (again, IF THERE ARE REGULATIONS, FOR SAFETY). Sorry, not all rallies have pace notes, and not all rallies need co-drivers either.

The only difference I can see, is that we need a Level B Racing Lisence (A is for any form of racing, B is for Rally, Auto-X, Dirt trial).


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Reread his post, he has no roll over protection, so no harness as well. Eh, im wrong, your right. hes a jackass.

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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 06:42 PM
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SCCA's events are all insured. Autocross, Road Racing, Rallying, etc.......

And EMT is on site and on call.

This is real racing.

Canyon carving is a bunch of jacknobs who think they know how to drive and thats the worst kind.
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 06:45 PM
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Not all events are SCCA, FIA, (in my place JAF). Some of the lower form of events are done by a group of shops. But yeah this one is a NG.
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 06:51 PM
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 07:39 PM
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I dont see anything in the orginal post that says its organized, legal, safe or allowed by police.
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 07:46 PM
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Explain to me how a bunch of jacknobs running around on roads that have not been marked and approved by an insured sanctioning body with no safety gear is different than a real rally where the cars have a co-driver, a map and pace notes and, oh yeah - anda full rally cage and driver saftey gear with EMT on hand.

Please, i'd love to know.

RJ
you forgot life flight helicopter(s) ready to rock at any notice. there are also loads of people placed in strategic positions around the corners to slow down or stop the out of control car.
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 08:00 PM
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you forgot life flight helicopter(s) ready to rock at any notice. there are also loads of people placed in strategic positions around the corners to slow down or stop the out of control car.
Your looking at WRC too much. that is not what it is like at the level of Rally most people do (or anyone that is not proffessional). There are no helicopters flying around anywhere in the level of rallying we will ever do.
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 08:21 PM
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jacknobs
Huh huh. He said jacknob. Huh huh.
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 08:31 PM
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wheeeeeeeeeee :hiccup:
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 08:45 PM
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A new track just opened up in phoenix. Go check it out.
This is good advice. When you're ready to step it up and actually learn something, sign up for an HPDE in your area. You're only fooling yourself if you think you are a good driver, or that canyon racing is teaching you anything.

Until then you are only a menace, and a wanna-be.
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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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At this year's ARRC at Road Atlanta a top Spec Miata driver hit the turn 3 wall HARD. Real HARD. Head-on type HARD.

EMTs were on him like flys on cow ****. Injuries weren't life threatening in the end, but its good to know that if they had been he was covered.
Oh yeah. Even at an SCCA club race, Life Flight is available. It might not be hovering overhead, but its a radio call away.

But I'll give this guy crazy mad props for moderating himself. Don't see that very often .

RJ - Lighten up. Not everyone is a jacknob. Some people are just uniformed. When I was 21ish years old I had never heard of HPDE or Autocross. I grew up in a family of Mopar drag racing motorheads (Dad had a '68 RoadRunner... 383, 6 pack :blort so I'd never had exposure to that sort of thing.
Now, when you inform them and they hit you back with "Yeah, but I'm safe about it" and "The roads we do it on are way out in the sticks" blah blah blah. Then they officially become a jacknob.
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