... must allow for air conditioning!!!... (hot & humid florida weather)... what options do i have?... what would you do?... just trying explore all my options... thanks in advance...

 

B16s are ok......I've had 2 cars with B16s, but not having torque gets old fast. Look into a B20 swap, lots of people seem to be happy with the torque it has......You can run the a/c with a B series, just need to get the hasport bracket.

 

thanks for the info... i will definitely look into it...

 

b18c1 could also be something to look into, i have a b16a1 and i still crave for more power

 

i would say either a b18c5 integra type r motor, or the best way of all, lsvtec or b20vtec. any way u go there is a way to keep ac. my friend had a crx with a straight b16a, and it retained the ac. his ac was blowing cold, down to 32 degrees. so i have no doubt that u could do the same thing with an lsvtec setup, or a straight b18c5.
just my opinion.

 

get a b16, get some work done to it. bore it out, get more hp then the b18c and save some money. i have a b16 making 212hp- but i have some moderate work done to it. also i spent 1500 for the 212hp b16 and full swap. i think b16 is the way to go. try to get a jdm b16. mines from a jdm del sol vtec. and then the motor work was done.


[Modified by mugensport9, 4:55 AM 4/1/2003]

 

You cant consider your 212hp b16 to be normal and use it in a comparison to try to lean someone into buying a b16. At least if your talking NA. I have never seen a street NA 212 hp b16 (WHP)

I'll say it again and you can all flame me if you like, dont wast your money on a b16 unless that all you can afford. Or at least get it and swap the bottom end out once you get more money.

 

When it comes to " all motor" unless you build 2.0L you won't have low down torque. B16As are Ok if you don't mind driving bouncing off the rev limiter.
I have built many B20Vtec's that run great and make in the 150 ft lbs range and 200+ WHP which is great for a CRX/ civic. Also a B18C1 with the right bolts ons will run pretty good too.

 

I would agree with the B20 if you want torque, never been in a B20 but have been in B18A EF's and its pretty impressive torque wise, if your asking what motor you should consider a stock motor, not a hybrid like a ls/vtec-cr-vtec.

 

what about an LS motor. Good for TQ and can keep A/C. Also is easy to turn into TuRBo

 

Can you tell me what exactly you did to get 212 hp and only spent 1500.00 in motor work and full swap. 1500.00 should just about cover swap and thats if you know people to get good prices on stuff.

What I mean is that even after you have the other motor you still need plugs ,wire's, fluids, dizzy, and what ever else you may need.

So I ask again, How did you afford 1500.00 for motor work and full swap B-16 to give you 212HP????????

 

I will have to agree with Tbone, with never seeing a street NA 212 hp b16 (WHP)...especially with only $1500 invested. I smell BS!
I have a 202whp B16, and I will say this...It was not cheap...not by a long shot!
You can not, will not get 212 whp from a B16 with $1500 worth of work! Maybe 3 times that amount...but not $1500.
I think it's pretty phucked up to come on here and give bad advice to those who would maybe trust your word with their money! And even if you meant to say 212 flywheel hp, that's still a long shot, so step up...I'm waiting

Sorry, just had to say that.

Now for a real reply...
If you want a all motor torque monster, there are really only two ways to go. first would be to go with the B20, and second...my favorite and next drag motor...a B18C+ bored to 84mm+. To do one of these swaps stock will cost way more than a B16 swap, long before you touch even one mod.
A cheaper solution would be the LS-Vtec. Though only slightly problematic, can be a great platform to start, and should only cost around $2500 to swap. I am not a big fan of LS-Vtecs, but I've have seen some that would yank the teeth from out of your head.
Now I think the question is...how much did you want to spend of your swap?

Yell88CRXsi



[Modified by Yell88CRXsi, 5:51 PM 4/1/2003]

 

I'd sell ya a JDM B20, 600, and Im in Tampa. Complete!!

 

okay my situation is. i bought a used b16 from a guy i know. it is highly modafied. to start it is bored over and has ITR internals, skunk2 stage 2 cams, adjustable cam gears, ported and polished intake manifold, mugen chip, with a y1 lsd. this motor makes 212hp at the flywheel N/A. i paid just under 1500 for the ful swap with everything. i know that it is not a stock b16 and i posted get a b16 which is much cheaper then a b18c. and spend the rest of your money building the engine.


[Modified by mugensport9, 10:33 PM 4/1/2003]

 

I'm surprized no one had suggested a H22 there not to hard to find and you get some half decent ammount of power but it can get expensive but if you want some power ona budget go for a b18(LS swap) and put on a turbo set up. check out the new SCC magazine for some info about doing an LS swap my .02

 

Go with a B20 vtec. I'm building one, and it seems to be cheap power. 1500 will get you a block and head, and you'll be happy with the HP and tourque.... Pistons, rods, head redo (all in the future) and you'll see 200 whp easy i think... maybe 215-220... maybe. I'm not done yet, so i cant tell you what an all motor B20 will do... sorry

 

There is no way with those mods that you'd make 212 fwhp. Did he tell you that is what it made or does he have a dyno sheet to prove it.... No head work or lumpy cams? Doesnt sound like a 200hp set up to me... I know LsVTEC built his and made 197hp. Thats an LSVTEC> 1.8... No way with just those mods does it make that much power, sorry. If you got a dyno sheet lets see it and prove us worng.

For the reply
I rode in a CRVTEC in a 92 Civ. with IHE and it pulled like crazy. even with 4 people in it. Loads of trq! CRVTEC all the way!!!!


[Modified by Blaze45, 1:21 AM 4/2/2003]

 

mine is bored also did u read? what is your 1.8... supposed to mean? and yes there is a dyno sheet he showed me. 212hp at the FLYWHEEL. ls/vtecs are way over rated, you sound like your saying its a better motor then mine? so your saying your 1.8L vtec built only makes 197? how much does a b18c5 make? i have a good friend who has an ls/vtec. id take my motor over an ls/vtec. who built your motor? you or someone u know? or a total stanger? what mods do u have? i dont appreciate you trying to say my motor doesnt do what i say it does. im pretty sure id know.


[Modified by mugensport9, 2:04 AM 4/2/2003]

 

B18C1 gets my vote.. that is, if you can afford it. If not go for the B16A, and you can probably find a used JRSC to throw on there for a good price if you're left craving torque.

 

The B18C5 is a good choice. Alot of people pass up this motor because they think that they could do better with some other motor for the money. The truth is that it would be hard to do so very easily without some serious hookups. Especially while maintaining factory Honda reliability.

 

My bad, I did miss the Type R pistions & the skunk2 stg.2s . What compression are you @? If you would read my post a li little slower (like I should of done in the first place)LsVTEC a member on the HT board did the swap, not myself. I myself am heading the B20 route. And Im not saying that the LSVTEC is better then your current motor at all, its prolly the same. If done right (psitons, rods ect) LSVTEC motors can be just fast as your B16 and faster. Its all in the eye of the beholder and what she or he likes. Like I said, CRVTEC just hauls even w/ four people in the car, and in my opinion, that is the route to go. Is there any head work done on the engine? Did you build your engine yourself, why would that matter? I am building my B20 myself. How did you manage to get a YS1 LSD and a B16 w/ all those mods for $1500? They guy must have not been to sharp as you can sell the cams & the tranny for over $1100+ whatever the rest of all the mods you listed. I must say that is a good find, can you post up a dyno sheet for me?


peace out y0!

Blaze


[Modified by Blaze45, 4:30 AM 4/2/2003]


[Modified by Blaze45, 4:34 AM 4/2/2003]

 

i agree crvtec is sick, lots of tourque but its much more expensive to build (at least i think) and i would have done it if i had some cash. but i dont so i got my full swap for 1500 and my rex for 720. its a great set up i think,at least for the money. its a jdm b16 btw, but not that it makes a difference after the internal work that was done to it except for the red valve cover. over all, i like b16's and thats what i would get.

 

What is your purpose? All drag or street?

 

... daily driven street car... weekend warrior...

 

my opinion....CRVTEC for the street built properly very stong.