at least im honest and getting to the point...

but y is it (and this is an honest question) that so many "R" owners keep their cars as garage queens... or barely take them out... putting no mileage on them? U can do this and that to the car but the fact is... its still a fucken integra!!! i know people with ferrarri's that take their cars out more often than some people here probably do... hell... i know someone with an 860 hp viper tht dirves his car almost everyday!!! too many people feel that the itr is some sort of god given dream car... if i wanted one i would put out a few thousand $$$$ more and get... its not that big a deal... i understand the concept thats it a limited edition (well not really anymore) car but it still doesnt mean its all that... its just that some people feel their cars are gold when they are really not...

i saw a yellow itr yesterday... mugen front end/cf hood/spoon wheels i believe and what not... i was gonna go up to him but didnt... ya know y... cuz of all the itr owners i have met... only 2 have been non-cocky people... and they were also my friends... y does every itr owner also feel they are better than everyone else?

if someone wants to lock this up... go right ahead... but this is my opinion and i feel i have a right to voice my opinion just like anyone else does here... for example... im no rice boy... but if i was i would get pretty offended by all the rice talk here... but thats all ok right? everyone can talk **** about riceboys... but NOOOOOO... not the all-mighty itr owners!

 

I agree for the most part. I had a long rant (similar to this) to the late Teken one day, he was amused...i wonder if i have it around somewhere.
Not to mention the various posts i've participated in dealing with this back when ITR bashing was apparently going on.

but i had a theory on "why is it". Clearly you didnt mean ALL ITR owners so you chose your wording well..however back to my theory. I have a feeling that their attitude of being better than everyone else, that they are driving god's gracious gift stems from.....MARKETING. Seriously, read the magazines, and the way they talk about the car makes it sound like it's a perfect vehicle. Now if it's perfect , that means the new RSXTR wouldnt be able to be better than it right, we'll see about that wont we soon enough. Anyway yeah, so the magazine reviews of the car often gets to many people's heads. Next, Acura/Honda's limited edition status and having brochures talking about how AWSOME the car is. I think you can see why people get cocky about their car now, it's because it's what they are told. True the car is a great car, but it's not god's gift, im pretty sure an F1 car is much closer to a perfect performance machine, but of course like mentioned in a previous post, we always include things that are below us and exclude things that are above us when we compared eh.

About the attitude themselves about being better (as a person) than anyone, i dunno about that, i encountered a lot of that but maybe they were ****** to begin with, but seriously, i dunno about you but im sure anyone who was willing to pay 20-22k for a car is capable of shelling out an extra 2-3k for a type R if they wanted to. I know i could have easily done that, and had oppertunities to sell my car and buy a type R. But it wasnt for me.

 

i don't think it's a valid reason to think that the few ITR owners you've met, who haven't been too pleasant to you, are all cocky bastards. of course the several negative instances you've encountered will imprint an impression of certain people; that's part of life...we all do it! however, sometimes we gotta step back and look at it in a larger perspective.

about the whole garage queen thing, man, who cares if some guy takes care of his/her car more so than the next guy/gal. it's not your car, they can do whatever they want with it. everyone is entitled to an opinion...however, i've always been taught that if you've got something to say, try to make it positive. by no means will everything you say be positive, but hey, as long as you're happy and they are happy, so be it.

i love my car...and i assume you do as well. let me do what i want with my car...you may do whatever you choose to yours.

positive vibrations...

 

I feel the same way, the rice mags have inflated their egos to enormous proportions. Not all R owners but the majority.

 

yep...our cars are undefeatable...it is the ultimate cars on the planet...porsche, ferrari, bmw, ameritech, better watch j00r backs

 

Haha, I have a 2000 R and so far have put 40,000 on it, daily driven to work and back w/some weekend racing on it too . My R is anything but a "garage queen", you can tell that by looking at my front bumper. That whole "keep my R garaged/weekend racer" mantality left my mind a month after I bought it.

 

What are you lowley GSR owners doing in our precious "Type R" forum!? (in booming god-like voice)

Seriously, I think the real reason why Type R owners are so paranoid is because they don't want their cars to be stolen, so the parts can be used in Civics and Integra's. Before my R went under the knife, I drove it all the time -- BUT, I was very selective in where I parked for long periods. If I was going to the movies, or some where seedy, I would take my wife's car.

For the record, this R owner is not cocky, just sarcastic. Oh, and I AM better than you, since I own an R.

 

I can understand why some owners only drive their cars only on occasion. I met Zach (fastfour) yesterday while he was at the dyno. I commented on his paint job on his car, which is a 94 civic by the way. He told me that it was stock. It was immaculate to say the least. The reason? He only drives it when the weather is nice. His daily transportation is the bus. He keeps it well washed and waxed. His car looks great. I can see an R owner doing that same thing. Not having to worry about it being stolen, door dings, weather damage. The Integra is one of the most stolen cars out there. Not to mention the vandalism rate on the R. A car with low miles ans in immaculate condition will also fetch more in resale value. That's my opinion on that.

As far as most R owners you have met being cocky? Sorry to hear that. Rest assured that not everyone is like that. No matter who I talk to I always try to respect their views. Now if they start spouting obvious crap, then I kind of just nod my head and start thinking about something else.

James

 

4dr-gsr...I am the cockiest ITR owner ever...nice to meet j00. So add me to j00r list...My car is better than j00rs and I am better because j00 have a four door car...

Len Chan

PS. I'm just trying to stay on-topic here since the title does say starting a flame war, and so far everyone has agreed with you...so I'll disagree...let the flames begin...

 

Booming god-like voice bwhahahahahhahahaha

anywhoo, yeah i agree about the getting stolen part and shiznit, however, not ALL ITR OWNERS are like this, but a good amount are IMO. Maybe you guys who have ITRs dont notice it as much as the lower and less fortunet folks like us

bout the getting stolen part i understand. But some people tick me off when they bitch about getting their car stolen or being a target (not just ITR) but they park it in the most visable spot (sure it's rather safe) but it draws a ton of attention....they showboat out in crowded areas so all can see...and i am paraphrasing from a post in the past about a meet near Albany at a mall near a glass window so " all the people can look at our cars in awe" Now aside from the fact the avg joe wont give two ***** if it's a type R or an LS cause they look almost the same to most people cept for the "ricey wing"...the person who would want to steal it already knows the value of the parts in the car, and or is already hyped up on the Hype-R fever. Anycase, what im getting at is, if you dont want your car to be a target, why do you park it like a jackass (taking more than one spot in a crowded parking lot), showboat, make it flashy, show off what you have under the hood, brag, display it as if it were for sale and stuff like that.....
reminder, the above was not about ITR owners, but car owners in general. Sure making it stand out will make more people look at it to keep it safe, but it also lets more people look at it, andremember your info and track you down, or follow you and jack you.

a kid here was racing another person and he had nitrous, when he won he was braging about his nitrous kit......that night his car was stolen from his garage....totally unrelated im sure

btw, this should be in the members forum i think
there were more posts in the past trying to understand why the ITR owners do what they do, since they are clearly superhuman and all, but i cant seem to find them eh.

back to the topic though, here's some fuel for the flame......i quote...from a reply to a post i made concerning making a new RSX forum....
"The ITR is on A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL than a regular intregra..."
SO now we group all the integras(RS,LS,GS,GS-R) as a different while the ITR is not an integra, but an ITR. *waves hands around like im suprised/scared*


[Modified by Ricehornet, 3:55 PM 6/16/2001]

 

Thanks for reminding all these lowly creatures on the board about my lofty position. You weaklings...feel my power

 

It's funny you brought this up, I'm not Caucasian but I'm a cocky-Asian

But seriously, owning an R deserves respect from the lower ranks ala GSR and Civics. We get the same attitude (at least I do) from S2000 and NSX owners. It's just the natural food chain. If you show respect you will deserve respect.

As for 'garage-queens', I know that it is different in Toronto because I see R's everywhere. I see at least two or three going to and from work everyday.

As for the R deserving 'legendary' and 'elite' status, I think it is justified. If only one magazine praised the R then that is a different story but it is has almost unanimous positive compliments from all the major and minor publications. It's track record is incredible and it has kicked started the import revolution.

 

Oh, come on! James (itrhybrid), you've dealt with me. Did I seem cocky to you? I honestly haven't met the people that are "overly cocky". Yes, I take pride in my car, but I don't let it overshadow possible friendships. I'm friends with a lot of "non-R" owners and have a great time talking about their ideas as well. Hopefully not everyone shares this posted opinion about R owners, because I don't believe I'm like that. You'll always have some people that let a particular possesion give them the dilusion that they're better than everyone else. Don't associate with them and look the other way. Nobody's asking you to take that, I damn sure wouldn't!

On a more serious note, I hope that new baby is doing great

 

I am just going to drop my opinion in here. If an R owner ever ignored you or didn't waive back when you beeped to them on the road, don't take this as being arrogant. Personally, I get paranoid when somebody asks me about my ITR. There have been too many horror stories about stolen ITRs and I have busted my *** to pay for them. Almost bought a supersonic GSR in '98 but waited a year and bought a CW ITR instead and recently a PY(my gf's). Honestly, the car suits my tastes better. I don't walk around with my head in the clouds because "I own an Integra Type R 0090 and 1164." I love Integras. I own a '90 RS for a winter car. Just because I don't drive my ITR as often is merely a precautionary measure. Why risk sliding off the road into a snow bank in the winter or driving in the rain on muddy roads when I have the capability of driving another car. Personally, I do not take any pleasure of driving in the rain so why risk it. Love the snow with the Teg though Woooho. Point being, I may seem arrogant to people who waive to me and I don't waive back, but I just don't want to talk to them. I wouldn't want them to find out how they could make a quick hybrid out of stealing my pride and joy. I don't know them and I don't know how shady their friends are. I just want to have my ITRs until I am old and grey. I am not saying you steal cars or anything like that, I am just explaining how I trust nobody and maybe others feel the same. No flame from me. Cheers

 

Huh? Did I say something that offended you? If I did, sorry.

The baby is doing great. Actually she is almost on a sleeping schedule at night. Awesome!

 

I don't usually say things like this but.... "why you hatin"?!?

Seriously though... not all ITR owners are dicks. I have met a few that are pompous, but then again I have met many other people who own fixed up cars (civics, tegs, stangs... you name it") who are the same way. Look at it from another perspective. I think that the socalled "magazine hype" draws attention to the car, and causes people to hate on it. I know it is not the WORLDS CRAZIEST SUPERCAR. Well, no offense when I say this, but "no ****"! Who ever said it was. All people are different, and in my opinion thats a lame stereotype. Just have fun with the car you have. Racing is all about competition against ones self and other people, so it does not suprise me that some hating goes on ("mine is faster then yours", "that thing isn't THAT fast", blah, blah, blah). Get over it.

Jon

 

WhiteITR said: "Personally, I get paranoid when somebody asks me about my ITR. There have been too many horror stories about stolen ITRs and I have busted my *** to pay for them. "
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I totally agree with you dude...I am so paranoid with my type R that it's not even funny...My car is a daily driver and when I get home I park my car in my garage as soon as possible without attracting any attention...I see a lot of other ITR owners and so far only one have said what's up to me...don't know who you are but wassup!!!

Anyways my point is I don't think I am a god or that I am above GSR...In fact the reason I bought the car is because all the work is already done for you...the ITR has great power, handling and is just a great machine that brings great excitement to me that no STOCK gsr can...

peace out
-Chuck-

 

Garage queen with no miles on them ?

Mine has 70,000 and is 2.5 years old it would have over 100,000 if it hadnt been off the road for the past 6 months

 

I don't understand why people who have one kind of car - ANY kind of car - would bother to go into a forum for people who have ANOTHER kind of car, just to start a flame war.

There are lots of nice cars around. I like my Integra Type R (and yes, I drive it). So I hang out in the Integra Type R forum, so that I can chat with other people who have the same kind of car I do. The whole idea is to ENJOY the car and ENJOY hanging out with other people who have the same car. It's a "good vibes" thing.

I would never think of going into a forum for Celicas or Subarus and saying "My car's better than your car" or "People who own my car are better than people who own your car". There's no point. People who have a different car ought to have the right to enjoy their cars with other people who have the same car, too.

If you have a car other than an Integra Type R, I hope you're enjoying it - but I think you should try having a positive attitude about your own car, and spending time with other people who have your car, instead of getting a negative attittude worked up and coming here to diss the Type R and its owners.

 

Well said

 

Ditto Ken, well said

 

The reason ITR guys come off as cocky is simply because we're better than you. Plain and simple. Get a real car civic boy.

 

I'll show you(not you specifically) respect if you deserve respect, but having a nice car does not justify people to be respected.

I respect 4dr-gsr and his "little civic" more than just about every BMW driver in my town.


Oh speaking of wondering why people who dont own an ITR post here....why is this place like offlimits to non-itr owners? i guess i didnt recieve a special access code or VIP decal yet that happens to come on your cars eh.

4dr-gsr , stop posting in the integra forum, you just own a slow civic, you dont belong there (just kidding man, dont be giving me negetive points now aiight)

i also think people are misreading what he is saying, some of ya'll are thinking he is saying EVERY ITR owner. He isnt. True that people can do what they want to their car, and i respect that, but the attitude is still there. I know a guy who drives his camry only on weekends for the first like year he had it. IMO you buy a car to drive it, not to show it off and make it look pretty in the garage.

Speaking of Rs in toronto, i noticed that too, a lot more Rs on the road around there than i've ever seen in NYC area. But where i live i see the same ITR every day. but aside from that, i've seen maybe 3 different ITRs on the road in two years.

Anyway, 4dr-gsr posted here not to intentionally start a flame war, but it will turn into one cause everyone gets defensive and offensive and what not, but seriously, he wants to know what got some ITR owners on their high horse, going along the horse cliche, what better way to find out the answer to a question than getting it straight from the horse's mouth. I dont think he's hating, cause i really dont think he cares about a ITR , some of you may think he's hating cause he has a civic...but you are wrong, dead wrong, meet him on the street and you'll know he couldnt care less about how fast your ITR is.
I agree. But to some extent some people (notice i said SOME so dont be thinking i said all) take a forum like this to be an exclusive place and that they have an elitist snobby attitude towards cars.

True ,but that doesnt stop some people (i did it in my past too) from bashing other cars in their forum. Like "How badly will and ITR beat a Maxima" and stuff like that. Dont get me wrong, that is some sorta performance question, but where is the line drawn in those conversations dividing enjoying ones' car which is a good vibe and comparing two cars in such a way that you basically site all the advantages of your car and disadvantages of the other, and totally neglect the good parts of the other car, and when brought up just shake it off as if it were less important than somthing else......which it is and isnt, it depends on the application.


Nsxtasy, i am not attacking you, please dont think that, but you brought up valid points that i would like to address also.


[Modified by Ricehornet, 6:39 PM 6/16/2001]

 

Okay... If your friend is being serious here are some possible answers.

Why some ITR guys don't put miles on their R? One reason is a high theft/Vandalism rate. I don't know, but I would bet 30% of the people here have had there ITR messed with. I personally have had the wing ripped off mine in DC. I've put 20,000 miles in 11 months on mine though, and am planning on racing it this summer.

Why do ITR guys seem cocky? I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I'm older than most civic owners, and I HATE rice. If some guy pulls up to me in a civic with japan writing on it, and a big muffler I don't want to talk. But pull up in a civic hybrid, or a gs-r with a turbo, or a RX-7, or a supercharged cobra, etc, etc and I'll be happy to talk cars.

 

as an owner of the god-almighty ITR, i spit on this thread for it is pure crap. caAtoOOOweEE..!