Yes i did a search and i did not find any of them usefull to my problem.
Well im installing the remote start option of my viper 790 on my 98 civic ex (auto). Some how i can't get the thing to work. These are the wires that i used.

12volts= white + ignition harness
Starter= black/white + ignition harness
Ignition= black/yellow + ignition harness
Second Ignition= yellow + ignition harness
Accessory= white/black + ignition harness
Brake =Wire green/white + brake switch

Which ignition harness do i need to be pulling these wires from? There seems to be 2 ignition harness. One that does supply the second ignition (yellow) wire, and one that seems to have the gear wires. Do i need to ground the neutral safety wire??


[Modified by x00gsr, 11:35 PM 3/12/2003]

 

don't ground the safety wire, that keeps it from remote starting. How far in the process does it get? Do the idiot lights come on? Does it try to crank but not start? Did you hook up the tach, and if not did you switch the brain so it runs tach-less?

 

which one is the ignition switch harness than? Is it the one that has 3 or 4 wires?

 

the two ignition, starter, and accessory wires should be thicker than the rest of them underneathe your steering column (12-14 gauge wires). you can get away with tapping into the yellow/black ignition wire, but some essential functions won't be powered during remote start. just tap into both of them.

also, like someone sed, don't ground the safety wire, it's suppose to be hooked up to a hood pin so when the hood to open, you can't remote start it.

 

yeap, the one with heavier wires. Plus it should be the only set going from the steering column that are those colors.

 

Actually, if you don't ground the NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT (black/white wire on the remote start harness) the remote start will not work. This is typically connected to the wire that indicates if the car is in park or neutral. Use a digital volt-meter to test for ground before connecting to this wire (should be located in one of the harnesses near the gear shift). By your description, it looks like the connections you made are correct. Just verify everything again. Also it is recommended to use the tach wire. You can find the wire at the test connector either on the driver's side or passenger side near the firewall in the engine compartment. It should be a 2-pin white or gray plug possibly wrapped in blue tape. BTW, do you need the installation manual for this alarm?


[Modified by HondaDriver4Life, 3:29 AM 3/13/2003]

 

[QUOTE]Actually, if you don't ground the NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT (black/white wire on the remote start harness) the remote start will not work. This is typically connected to the wire that indicates if the car is in park or neutral[quote]

Not true. I have a manual, and I remote start mine. The neutral safety switch has an odd name for it's job. That's what you'd BELIEVE it would do, but in fact it's the black/white wire that gets connected to the toggle switch, which in turn gets connected to ground. The use of this wire is to disable the remote start should you say.. take it to a shop to get worked on. I guess it's happened before, odd to me, but it was put in there becuase the car might start when the battery is re-connected. This switch keeps the remote start from having any posibility of remote starting, just as using a hood pin switch would do. The remote start has absolutely *no* way of knowing what position the automatic gear selector is in. They are designed with the understanding that an automatic, from the factory, will not start unless it's in park or neutral. so if you connect this wire directly to ground, your car will never remote start.

(DEI's are pretty much the only remote starts I do. a few audiovox.. but their instructions blow. I recommend the DEI's to every one of my customers that come in)


[Modified by rjr162, 4:08 PM 3/13/2003]

 

can you hot wire the car?

... meaning start the car, and have it run with no check engine , abs airbag lights, with out using the key << I use my wire strippers to 'jump all the wires together when doing this>>. once you can do that, then those are the wires you use.

If i recall, you only need 1 ign wire to start your car <... its a honda >. 12 V(+) and starter will be in one harn., and the ign. and acc. (heater) and start wires will be in the other harn.


also, I think you'll find that the 'yellow' wire is not a true 2nd ignition, and is going to be your acc (heater wire).

 

rjr162.....that's exactly what you're doing by using the toggle switch. You're sending a ground signal to H3/6 input so that the remote start will work. When you flip the switch, the ground signal is broken and the remote start will not activate. The toggle switch is just a manual relay - closed when then switch is in one position, open when in the other.

 

HondaDriver is right... there are typically two wires that prevent the remote starter from starting besides all the usual ignition stuff.
1.) the neutral safety switch. you DO need it to be grounded before the remote starter works
2.) hood pin- this should NOT be grounded.

both of these were designed for the same thing, which was to prevent an accident!!! most cars post-88 will not start unless it is in neutral anyways (talking about autos since the system was designed for it) and the hood pin being engaged means that the hood is open for some servicing reason so it prevents a person's hand from getting mutalated in a fan or something.

btw, the remote starter is acting like some kind of "hot wiring"; however, there should be a wire for the brakes so that once someone depresses the brakes or opens the hood, the car shuts off. you also don't have to worry about it because the remote starter usually comes with a shut off default at 12 minutes.

it's also pointless to start the car and try to drive off because your steering wheel will lock up anyways...have fun unjamming the locking pin without destroying the steering column.

 

Yeah i read the trouble shooting guide of my alarm manual. It did say that i have to ground the neutral safety or it wont work. So i guess i'll give that a try.

 

lol i ment it does need to, but what i was trying to say was it DOES NOT connect to anything to do with park or neutral. Mistake in trying to type. It does need to see ground (opposite the hood pin, which shuts it down if it sees grounds). Either way it doesn't have anything to do with park or neutral

 

what exactly does it do when you push the button,any lights come on,does it crank,what does it do?

 

just picture you starting your car without you being in there to crank it with the key...

 

lol,im not asking what remote start is,lol,i have it on my car,im trying to help him identify the problem and troubleshoot.

 

HAHHAAHAH, DOH my bads!!! i'm sooo stoopid. hhahaahah

 

rjr162.....just to clarify. When the transmission is in park or neutral (Honda autos), a ground signal is sent to a factory-installed starter-cut relay (you can test this with a volt-meter). The ground signal prevents the starter-cut relay from working so the car can start. When the transmission is in gear, the starter-cut relay is activated and car won't start. By tapping into this wire, a ground signal is fed to the alarm when in park or neutral. This is how the alarm knows if the car is in park or neutral. In theory, this is no different from the toggle switch approach. In either case, a ground signal is being sent to allow the remote start to work, it's just safer to use the park/neutral approach because the remote start will not activate unless the transmission is sending the right signal.


[Modified by HondaDriver4Life, 4:24 AM 3/14/2003]


[Modified by HondaDriver4Life, 4:29 AM 3/14/2003]

 

heh.. ok maybe i'm just too lazy to have tried that (just use the toggle so if they take it to the shop they can manually disable it, or for some other reason).

Also, as I asked in my first post, what stage does the car get to? Do the idiot lights come on, does it try to crank.. ?