NASA-TT (time trial)
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NASA-TT (time trial)
Quote from NASA national site:
It would be nice to see NASA-VA support this. 
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NASA ANNOUNCES TIME TRIAL PROGRAM
The National Auto Sport Association (NASA) is pleased to introduce a new time trial program which will be known as “NASA TT”. NASA TT uses the car classing system developed by NASA Northeast for the NASA-X program and is based on a simple and easy to understand format. NASA TT gives HPDE drivers a taste of competition by allowing them to compete for top lap times at NASA events against similarly prepared cars.
“This should be a great way for our experienced HPDE drivers to compete against each other safely and try out the thrill of racing”, said Ryan Flaherty NASA National Chairman, “This program now gives us a full spectrum of competition formats and a great pathway from Autocross to wheel-to-wheel competition.”
The National Auto Sport Association (NASA) is pleased to introduce a new time trial program which will be known as “NASA TT”. NASA TT uses the car classing system developed by NASA Northeast for the NASA-X program and is based on a simple and easy to understand format. NASA TT gives HPDE drivers a taste of competition by allowing them to compete for top lap times at NASA events against similarly prepared cars.
“This should be a great way for our experienced HPDE drivers to compete against each other safely and try out the thrill of racing”, said Ryan Flaherty NASA National Chairman, “This program now gives us a full spectrum of competition formats and a great pathway from Autocross to wheel-to-wheel competition.”
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From: formerly elgorey, VIRginia
Re: NASA-TT (6ghatch)
I asked about this on the NASA-VA forums a couple weeks ago, with no response.
btw- there have been several NASA-VA TTs at Jefferson Circuit. Last one was during HizzypeRfest. Had prizes too, a nice OMP Seat, OMP harnesses, and OMP Pedals. (I came home with the pedals, only because there was no PAX index
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btw- there have been several NASA-VA TTs at Jefferson Circuit. Last one was during HizzypeRfest. Had prizes too, a nice OMP Seat, OMP harnesses, and OMP Pedals. (I came home with the pedals, only because there was no PAX index
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Re: NASA-TT (elgorey)
time trials void car warranties and/or insurance, you would have to be willing to give up any insurance you had
It would be a good outlet for someone who wants to compete on a road course but may not be ready for wheel to wheel, or may never be ready.
I asked about this on the NASA-VA forums a couple weeks ago, with no response.
btw- there have been several NASA-VA TTs at Jefferson Circuit. Last one was during HizzypeRfest. Had prizes too, a nice OMP Seat, OMP harnesses, and OMP Pedals. (I came home with the pedals, only because there was no PAX index )
btw- there have been several NASA-VA TTs at Jefferson Circuit. Last one was during HizzypeRfest. Had prizes too, a nice OMP Seat, OMP harnesses, and OMP Pedals. (I came home with the pedals, only because there was no PAX index
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btw- I was there with you last year at the Jefferson Circuit time trial.
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Re: NASA-TT (6ghatch)
yes you are putting your car at risk, that is not the point, if you ball your car up in an HPDE some insurance companies will cover it because it is a drivers school, once you start being timed competitively any chance of retribution goes out the window
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Re: NASA-TT (urbanlegend21)
yes you are putting your car at risk, that is not the point, if you ball your car up in an HPDE some insurance companies will cover it because it is a drivers school, once you start being timed competitively any chance of retribution goes out the window
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Re: NASA-TT (6ghatch)
Oh yeah, I know what you mean. I was just looking out for someone coming through reading this thinking "cool, I can take my dialy driver and see how it does" so they know the risk of losing insurance coverage or warranty because of this activity
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Re: NASA-TT (urbanlegend21)
you wouldn't loose all insurance coverage for the car though right? like I figure the car wouldn't be covered while I'm running it at the track, but I should still be covered when I'm driving home.. ? I guess I should be talking to my insurance company about this..
Why would your warranty be voided ?? If that was true, wouldn't Auto-X also void warranty??
Why would your warranty be voided ?? If that was true, wouldn't Auto-X also void warranty??
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Re: NASA-TT (sykikchimp)
Just for that time on track you are running under a watch is your insurance void. For a school, you can probably get coverage but not for time trial activities. FWIW, i ran the time trial at JC last year (stupid non-PAX scoring)
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Re: NASA-TT (6ghatch)
Just a reminder, there is already a 5-event Time Trial series on the East Coast:
http://www.timetrials.net
We do have stringent safety requirements!
http://www.timetrials.net
We do have stringent safety requirements!
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Re: Re: (urbanlegend21)
I think it's a great idea!!!! I hope we see this at some HPDE's this year. That's the one thing I allways would like to know (my lap times), but never really get them. 
Like if you try a new line and if felt faster but U never know if it really was faster. ...or if you set the car up a little differant did it really help your lap times or not?
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Like if you try a new line and if felt faster but U never know if it really was faster. ...or if you set the car up a little differant did it really help your lap times or not?
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Re: Re: (57STS)
NASA OH/IN will begin Time Trials at BeaveRun May 10-11. It will be for group 4 drivers only, run like the OTC with transponders and open passing. I'll pass the word along to Chris and see if we can get him going as well. More soon on the OH/IN website http://www.racenasa.com .
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And when would NASA-VA actually incorporate these into an event?
I'm already turned off by the schedules I see for NASA-VA (way too many sessions with no room for error), a time trial will take away at least one run group, if not more.
Ask yourself what you really want, track time, or timed laps.
If you really want to run time trials in the mid atlantic/south east, you cna also do with with the Tarheel Sports Car Club (www.thscc.com), we run 4-5 a year right now.
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I'm already turned off by the schedules I see for NASA-VA (way too many sessions with no room for error), a time trial will take away at least one run group, if not more.
Ask yourself what you really want, track time, or timed laps.
If you really want to run time trials in the mid atlantic/south east, you cna also do with with the Tarheel Sports Car Club (www.thscc.com), we run 4-5 a year right now.
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Re: NASA-TT (6ghatch)
Does NASA-TT require rollbars or rollcages or any safety equipment, as does SCCA's Solo I program?
Karen
there's a reason the Camaro doesn't see track time any more, and it's not mileage related....
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there's a reason the Camaro doesn't see track time any more, and it's not mileage related....
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Re: NASA-TT (CamaroFS34)
Cobetto is a high-talent individual for sure, but how much more can you POSSIBLY ask him to fit into a NASA-VA weekend???
The THSCC time trial program is outstanding, and there's one next month at VIR.
The THSCC time trial program is outstanding, and there's one next month at VIR.
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From: formerly elgorey, VIRginia
Re: NASA-TT (Mansier)
The Time Trial actually adds no time to the weekend as it uses the existing HPDE group 4 or Advanced Group.
The higher HPDE groups are agressive enough as it is, add in timed laps, trophies and "bragging rights" (ego) and that agressiveness just went up x10
I just dont see this being able to work out like that.
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Re: NASA-TT (Mansier)
If
How can this be possible
Without cutting into the track time of other groups?
If i were doing "hot" laps i wouldnt want to have other non "hot" lap cars out there at the same time - or even running very close to other "hot" lap cars. And if i werent in a time trial, i wouldnt want to have "hot" lap cars out there with me.
The Time Trial actually adds no time to the weekend as it uses the existing HPDE group 4 or Advanced Group.
I didn't say it would also have non-TT entrants
If i were doing "hot" laps i wouldnt want to have other non "hot" lap cars out there at the same time - or even running very close to other "hot" lap cars. And if i werent in a time trial, i wouldnt want to have "hot" lap cars out there with me.
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From: formerly elgorey, VIRginia
Re: NASA-TT (Mansier)
I didn't say it would also have non-TT entrants. All of this will be decided by your local regions. Look for postings on your local NASA websites.
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Re: NASA-TT (elgorey)
Dont get me wrong Lawrence, I love the idea of a TT. But it seems to as though doing them "west coast style" during full HPDE sessions just isnt very safe. I think this is one area where SCCA got it right.
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