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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 07:47 PM
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I just can't seem to do it in my car with the stock pedals. Granted I wear a size 13 shoe, which kinda sucks at times. I also have pretty long legs, so when my seat is positioned correctly in relation to my arms and the steering wheel, my knees are probably a little closer to the lower dash than they should be, which also limits my room when I try to rotate my right heel over to touch the gas pedal. I'm just wondering if I will HAVE to strap on an aftermarket gas pedal cover w/ the extended lower left corner to be able to blip it while braking. Anyone have any experiences?

I know I posted this in the other Integra forum, but I wanted to hear from ITR guys since you all probably track your cars more/more frequently than other Integra owners. TIA
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 07:50 PM
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You don't really need to use your heel, just roll your foot onto the gas while it's still on the brake.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 07:51 PM
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Very much possible. It's all relative to how you do it and your seating position.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 07:55 PM
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Yes.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 07:57 PM
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the rolling method is not very accurate. when you are braking, it is hard to use the right side of your foot to accurately control the revs when the left side of your foot is depressing the brake. maybe it's just me, but if i roll my foot, it leads to me letting up on the brake and hitting the corner faster than i should. Heel toeing is akward any way you do it and it takes practice and also flexibility for tall people. try getting a different seat bracket to sit you lower, that should give your legs enough room. I hope this helps.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 08:00 PM
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Alot of people bend the gas pedal closer to the brake pedal. I did this in both my integra and my civic, and it helped alot. Just make sure of two things. You're not bending it forward, because it will actually apply gas at all times and you'll wonder why your car is idling at 2k (dont ask me how I know). Make sure you are aware that the gas is closer to the brake when you are driving, it's easy to accidentally touch the gas if you aren't careful how you hit the brake.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 08:04 PM
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Default Re: is heel-toe braking possible w/ stock pedals? (zygspeed)

You don't really need to use your heel, just roll your foot onto the gas while it's still on the brake.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 09:59 PM
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the rolling method is not very accurate. when you are braking, it is hard to use the right side of your foot to accurately control the revs when the left side of your foot is depressing the brake. maybe it's just me, but if i roll my foot, it leads to me letting up on the brake and hitting the corner faster than i should. Heel toeing is akward any way you do it and it takes practice and also flexibility for tall people. try getting a different seat bracket to sit you lower, that should give your legs enough room. I hope this helps.
than you donno how to heel toe. rolling your foot is sufficient enough to switch gears while braking. watch all those jdm option video's and best motoring, most of them use the "roll foot" method.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:03 PM
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Yes.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:08 PM
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Yup! Also for those who have really wide feet like me, you could just use the left side of your right foot as the toe (brake) and the right side as the heel (gas). Much easier that way. Cheers.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:18 PM
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than you donno how to heel toe. rolling your foot is sufficient enough to switch gears while braking. watch all those jdm option video's and best motoring, most of them use the "roll foot" method.
agreed
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:20 PM
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I have major issues heel toeing, I always blamed it on being tall with big feet. *shrug* At least that's what I let myself believe so I won't feel bad about buying Mugen pedals down the road
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:27 PM
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Yup! Also for those who have really wide feet like me, you could just use the left side of your right foot as the toe (brake) and the right side as the heel (gas). Much easier that way. Cheers.
I do that too, but I still need practice.
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:37 PM
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I don't think that is the proper method to do it though... *shrug*
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Old Feb 25, 2003 | 10:39 PM
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Default Re: is heel-toe braking possible w/ stock pedals? (PatrickGSR94)

.....I'm a size 10.5 (shoe), and I could do the heel/toe shifting without too much effort. After a lot of practice, of course: I did it the "duck footed method" though... I hit the brake, then kept my heel on the brake, while pushing the gas with the ball of my foot, then transferred off the brake when accelerating out of the corner. A lighter flywheel helps in this area too.

I think the more traditional method is to do it "club footed," and I can do it that way as well... but with stock pedals, the method described above worked best for me. I also am pretty unorthodox in my seating stance: I keep the steering wheel as low as possible, and actually have my seat reclined a bit. I have a really long torso, and sitting straight up would cause me to have to **** my head at a crazy angle because of the helmet height...

Good luck, and keep practicing.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 04:42 AM
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I think it just takes time to get used to... I just got my ITR a couple of weeks ago and also found it a bit hard. I had an E36 M3 before and got used to heel-toe in that and now changing from euro pedals to japanese pedals is a bit of a change... But sometimes when you're sitting at the lights just give it a bit of practice (that's what I do heh) and I'm sure things will work out
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 06:46 AM
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Default Re: is heel-toe braking possible w/ stock pedals? (George Knighton)

I did some work on my stock pedals to make things easier. You may also need to mess with the relative "depth" of the pedals. I had to raise the brake pedal higher.

I use the foot "roll" method, and it works for me. Just takes prectice. Remember, you are not trying to be accurate, you only need to give it a good blip.

BTW, working under there on the pedals takes a lot of patience.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 06:51 AM
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working under there on the pedals takes a lot of patience.
You daym right!
Installing the cruise arm on the gas pedal was a nightmare for me.

Answer to the question... yes it is possible. I have the Honda pedal covers and have slightly bent the gas pedal toward the brake pedal.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 07:01 AM
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If you think trying to learn heel/toe is hard in an Integra, you should try learning in a Civic.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 07:16 AM
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Default Re: is heel-toe braking possible w/ stock pedals? (PatrickGSR94)

My friend had a first gen Integra and he actually bent the gas pedal over towards the brake and he said it worked fine. Try it and if you find that it doesn't help, bend it back. Secondly, if that doesn't work, get a longer gas pedal.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 07:38 AM
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Default Re: is heel-toe braking possible w/ stock pedals? (BlackeR2000)

Practice......Practice......Practice

You can always get an aftermarket steering wheel and have an extension mde to get the wheel closer to you allowing you to push the seat that much further back.

Unless it really bothers you or if you have the funds go that route, but Practice.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 09:18 AM
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using the "roll" method also, until i can get the proper way down.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 09:28 AM
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Default Re: is heel-toe braking possible w/ stock pedals? (tie par)

Stock pedals and size 15 feet = do it with any shoes even barefoot! Just have to use the roll your foot off the side method, which seems to be more common than actually heel and toeing.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 09:42 AM
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Practice......Practice......Practice

You can always get an aftermarket steering wheel and have an extension mde to get the wheel closer to you allowing you to push the seat that much further back.
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I think this is key for people with long legs. Heel/toe is much easier if your leg is only slightly bent.

I am investing in a steering wheel extension to deal with this.
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Old Feb 26, 2003 | 09:47 AM
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Default Re: is heel-toe braking possible w/ stock pedals? (Big Phat R)

I tried to do the roll method but sometimes it feels like my foot gets caught between the brake and gas pedals. The easist way i found to do it is to break near the top right corner of your break pedal and blip with your heel. I do this in my integra with size 11 shoes. Good luck!
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