Anyone use it sounds good for a car thats going to see track use and street use, any opions? Incase you are wondering a 1992 hatch ITR brakes up front GSR out back, on the track RA1s

A high torque brake compound delivering reliable and consistent performance over a very wide operating temperature range (150F to 1250F). Advanced compound matrix provides an excellent initial "bite", high coefficient of friction (0.54-0.56), and very progressive brake modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance, very rotor friendly at all temperatures, excellent cold stopping power, and low noise when hot or cold. Although primarily designed for track use, Panther Plus can also be used on the street. As a result, Panther Plus is an excellent choice for lapping day and high performance driver's schools on street driven cars using street or R-compound tires, eliminating the need to change brake pads at the track. In addition, Panther Plus has seen some success as a race-only pad on lighter improved touring race cars.

 

Yes, on my Caprice. Work great as a dual use pad. A bit aggressive for continued street use (dusty, noisy, wear rotors faster than a street compond). But great for track weekends (change pads a home, drive to event, have fun, drive home all with no worries).

 

very good pad, I never had any complaints about it

non-corroisive dust, great temperature range and bite

I would not use it a s a race pad but it is perfect for the beginner or intermediate driver

 

I've always held that of these three things, you get two:

- Rotor Friendly
- Long Lasting
- Fade Resistance

The Panther Plus is the only pad I ever used that got me all three of those. If you change pads at the track, with the PPs you can put them on a few nights before you go, and take them off a few days after you get back.

 

Long before I started at Carbotech I ran the Panther +, Karl ran Blues. At the end of the weekend, as we were packing, the conversation usually started like this.

Me: "Karl, I'm all packed, can I help you with anything? I tell you what. I'll sit here in the shade, drink my beer and hold yours while you finish changing pads...."

Karl: "I don't like you very much...."

 

I just got done beating the snot out of a set of panther plus's this weekend. Excellent pad. Noisy and a little resistant to cold stopping on the street, but an excellent race pad.

-Chris, who's new track toy is much easier on brakes and tires than his old one was.

 

Funny you should mention that. I just beat the **** out of our new street material (a.k.a. Bobcat) at VIR last weekend. No problems on saturday (cold, rain, low speed day), but I fully expected to run into some sort of problem (wear, fade, glaze, something) when things dried out on Sunday. After 4 Sunday sessions (~100 miles) I did not get any fade or glaze and only wore the pads ~.080" the whole weekend. Bite and torque seemed to be off that of the Panther Plus a bit at those operating temps, but this is the ONLY high performance street pad I have ever used that could successfully stop me lap after lap from 120+ mph without serious degredation in some way.

Noise on the street has been non-existant. Dust on the street has been ~1/2 that of Axxis Ultimate. Rotor degredation? Not measurable yet (this is a new material).

I think we're going to tweek the formula more towards track use and see what happens just for the fun of it. If we're really really lucky, perhaps we'll keep all the good street characteristics (low dust/noise/wear) with outstanding track performance. We're one of the first to use ceramic in our brake pads, so we're learning as we go. Who knows if the the standard rule of "you can't have a pad for everything" is true for ceramics?? We're trying to find out.

 

I daily drive and HPDE this pad always

 

thank you to all for the great info
My intent is to use the pad eveyday, but the car only gets driven about 100km a week on the street in the summer but add in misc trips, so llets say 3000 km over the moths i do drive it

I can always put the street pad i have on now (by the way, KVR pads sucks *** on the track) if i find that i can;t stand them on the street.

I also notice on their site that it says to the CARBOTECH PANTHER (1104) is good on the rear of front drive cars, should i go with the 1106 front and 1104 rear or stright 1106?:

The predecessor to the Panther Plus, the Panther is also an excellent track pad which can also be used on the street with good results. With a coefficient of friction of 0.52-0.54, and an operating temperature range of 150F to 1100F, the Panther provides excellent stopping power with a smooth initial bite and very good modulation, while remaining rotor friendly, whether hot or cold. Panther is an excellent choice for novice/intermediate track school drivers with stock cars, and has been used on national championship winning cars for SCCA Solo 2. Panther is also an excellent choice for rear applications on front-engined cars where XP or Plus is used in the front

 

I love the Panther+. Great pad for the street and track. The noise never bothered me, always thought it was kind of cool. The stopping power might be a hair week when you first start the car, but after 1-2 stops on the street I was always able to drive around without any issues. The only thing that I didn't like about the P+ is that they wore out a little quicker than I would have liked. But for a street/autox/track pad, it is my favorite by far.

P+

 

I have had problems with the Panther Plus pads. For some odd reason after 3days of track use they showed no signs of wear and caused a insane pad transfer problem. I then bought a set of XP pads, which I still have now. The XP's don't transfer as much material as the plus, they have good brake torque when hot but are very difficult to modulate. For these reasons I won't be using Panther pads again.

 

I'm on my 2nd set! I run these all the time with Hawk HP+ in the rear, works for steet, autocross, and track days.

 

Good Stuff!
1108 is da bomb!
for RoadRace/HPDE/daily driver.

 

Panther XP works well enough on the street too. And I prefer them on the track for my 3100 pig

 

so thats a whole other thread on its own then

Mybe i will order 2 sets and see wich one i like best and hen sell the other
Gotta sya this is one of the best forums to get good reliable info thanks again guys

 

Love the P+. Run them on street and track. Dusty and a little noisy, but who cares! That's why I bought gunmetal wheels!

 

I think the Panther Plus is a great compound for weekend track use, with limited street use. While our own product line is directly more towards dedicated track/race use, the Panther Plus certainly does fill a void for a "hybrid compound", for individuals who have to drive their vehicles to the track, and would rather not change pads at the track. While there are better dedicated street compounds (less noise and dust, better cold performance, better wear rates, etc), and better dedicated track/race compounds (better thermal stability, bite, sustained braking torque), the Panther Plus works well as a compromise/hybrid compound, IMO.

Just my $0.02 worth. -Andie

 

i was checking out your site bu ti can;t get info on teh Coblat pads? Is ti jsut me or does the link not work yet

 

I agree 100%. There are better street-only brake pads than the P+. And I can rattle off a few race-only compounds that work better on the track than the P+. But, the driving school/lapping day market is absolutely huge. Go to http://www.virclub.com and look at their schedule and look at how many race weekends they have compared to drivers school weekends. The guy doing driving schools values different things in a brake pad than the racer. The driving school guy doesn't want to destroy his $300 cadmium plated and slotted rotors. The driving school guy doesn't want the dust from his brake pads to permanantly pit and/or stain his $1000 ten pound 16" forged wheels, or spend the following weekend with a clay bar cleaning up his side panels. On top of it all, the driving school guy, if given the choice, would rather not screw around in the heat/cold/rain changing pads at 7 am on Saturday morning, and then change them again late Sunday in order to get home. He'd rather do it at home in the garage while drinking a beer. These are the things that Carbotech customers complained about when we were making custom pads out of Blue. And these are the things that drove Carbotech to start doing our own research on ceramics as friction materials. Perhaps we should change our name to "Ceramitech"???

Back to Panther:

Streetability
High temperature on-track fade resistance
Low "collateral damage" to wheels/rotors/paint surfaces

If you do track schools and those items are of the utmost importance to you, there's is nothing on the market that can touch Panther Plus. Period.


Edit: post not intended as a rebuttal or inflamatory in any way to Andie/Cobalt. Just wanted to give everyone a few of the reasons we've gone this direction


[Modified by MaddMatt, 9:53 AM 2/26/2003]

 

I bought a set of these for the VIR event last Feb, and since then I haven't used anything else. I am on my second set and they really never cease to amaze me.

 

I was able to fade the P+'s on the track at the end of run sessions, but not very much. They still help up pretty good. The XP's are just plain awesome.

Anyways my next set of pads will be Cobalt pads.

 

wheels/rotors/paint surfaces <------all equal wear items

 

you may change your mind once you go to R tires. With R tires you can transfer more weight to the front wheels, which can leave you with too much brake bias to the rear. The easy-sleazy fix for that is lower CoF pads in the rear. The right fix is a proportioning valve.

lots of us here are apparently easy-sleazy kind o' guys

any decently designed car on street tires & stock-ish suspension should work best with the same pad F & R. if you're running R tires, or you've messed with the weight distribution, suspension geometry or all of the above, well, thats a different story.

joel

 

makes sense to me I'll be trying out the lower pads on the rear then since i will be running with RA1s

 

haha....