Im currently running STS
Working on some mods.

I would like to move up to CSP in the future.

Im planing on an autopower bolt in roll bar with removables and 5 pts for autocross and FATT's. With some Evo seats.

Anyone else have a similar set up in a teg, RS ls or R??

Ive looked around and wanted to get some help

Also for CSP 13 inch rims are the best it seems but what about width??

Im just not sure if i shoould go CSP this season. Im thinking ill get beat good in CSP

 

I'm assuming since you're currently in sts that the car is not a Type r... which means that you go to DSP not CSP.

is this a pure solo II car? if so I'd leave off the roll bar for weight .

as for wheels... 13x8.5

I run a DSP GS-R let me know what your questions are and I'll try and answer them the best I can.

Racermike and Geratol are also excellent sources of info for a DSP car...


[Modified by Watkinsm3, 11:32 AM 2/21/2003]

 

SEE I dident even know what id step up too..

Im in STS and Im running well in the WDCR SCCA.

Its a street(commuter), autocross, everyother weekend, and then Im going to start running some Track days

I want to put buckets in it for next season which will bump me out of STS, to DSP.
So I guess im asking is it worth going to DSP??? Do you run through alot of tires because theya re R compound??Any pics of your cars?? Supsention set ups and lb ratings.. just some direction, i like to plan ahead.

 

I'll warn you early: Moving from STS to DSP involves $$$. Sure you can do it cheap but you will get stomped on by BMW 325s.

Things you have to have in a DSP Integra:
Race tires
13" rims
LSD
Good suspension setup with almost unstreetable springs

If you get through that list and you still have money I can put together a second list

 

I agree with Geratol, what he lists is the bare minimum for an "ok" DSP car... AND if you're in the DC region you'll have some tough competition... Neary, Sheridan, Katona (maybe even me on occasion ) are all very good DSP drivers in that area.

As for tires? I went through 3 sets of Race tires last year. Not cheap!

 

I almost did a full season on 2 sets of Kumhos last year but I really mised out on a lot of practice by trying to make the tires last. 3 Sets should be good for a year.

BTW, is your Integra Balck? Only black Integras can run in DSP

 

I was pretty shocked when I read this rule myself...

Another question... LS? RS? GS-R? This will have an important impact on how competitive you may be in the long run. Assuming rules remain as they are.


[Modified by Watkinsm3, 12:52 PM 2/21/2003]

 

Just RS.

Not vtec or R. Its my second car that turned into a project/play car( but dont they all)

What is unstreetable springs?? I mean do u have to run coilovers and spend mucho amounts of $$ to be anybit of competitive?? Or what. Ive seen our DSP class and they are quick. Im deffinatly running STS this year, and possibly next, i just wanted to judge it to see if i wanted to jump or not.

So Race tires for season 1500
Racing wheels 1000
Suspention Koni's and Ground Controls... 800.00

Im running H & R sports and kyb agx's

And No its not black, its the opposite. its white... Blah wish it was black.

Give me some ## figures. and im just out to have a fun time

O and what is a LSD. Limitied slip Diff?? I used to understand this stuff. I had a locker(locking diff) in my 4x4 explorer. So what does my 95 RS have now?? No LSD?? Could u put a posi in a integra, any help??? im kinda


[Modified by JSR3STS, 9:39 PM 2/21/2003]

 

You guys go through some tires! I ran a *full* season on one set of bias ply's with my SM Civic (225/45/13 Hoosier STD's on 13 x 9" rims). And we have honkin big courses around here too.

The only reason I switched was the compound started getting too hard, but there's still measurable tread depth so I kept 'em around in case funds get really tight. Sprinkle some magic goo (formula V) on them and they'll be ready to go again. I suppose they would have lasted me nearly half another season before wearing through.

 

fsp31: I think it means you're not trying hard enough! It could be the number of events you run in a year. (i.e. I used 2 sets over 21 events, 2 national tours, and the national championship)

When I say near unstreetable springs I mean something in the 700-800 rear spring rate range. Right now I have 672lb/in springs in the rear along with a racing seat in my daily driver DSP Integra. It's taken a while for my back to "adjust" to the new setup.

LSD= Limited Slip Differential. You car has an open diff right now.

 

fsp31... I agree with Geratol it might be the number of events. I did a crap load of events last year... ~15 events on street tires, and another ~40 events on hoosiers which included 2 tours and Topeka.

 

as another integra rs sts driver thinking about dsp in the next couple of years, is it worth it w/ the non-vtec motor? most dynos seem to indicate better power in the b18b below 4k rpms or so, but above, well, you know... then there is the shorter final drive of the gs-r and the shorter 3rd gear (which probably comes into play more after moving to the shorter overall diameter of most 13" wheel/tire combinations).

just thinking out loud... any ideas? is sts the best place for the b18b integras?

thanks for everyone's help,
phil

 

Interesting question I think (tho it could be the meds)... RS is definitly lighter then the GS-R. Obviously we've seen low power, light cars do very well in other classes (STS). Is the weight difference enough to make up for the lack of power? not sure... I'm not sure how much lighter and RS can be then a GS-R.

What would be cool? GS-Rs and RSs moved to the same SP line for update/backdate... oh well, maybe that's for the best cause my costs would go through the roof if that happened!


[Modified by Watkinsm3, 2:42 PM 2/21/2003]

 

A good example is how the Celica GT is a better autox car than the GTS.

 

If anyone wants a nice round figure... my '95 RS with optional A/C, power windows, and 22lb wheels was 2440lbs. Assuming optional A/C removal is legal in SP (can't remember) the car could be 2360 with ease.

 

Thanks for the info guys and philbert im in the same boat

What brand springs are you running wiht the 600lb rate???
and what shocks ??? fill us in..

 

What are the extents of your modifications?

 

As of now we have...
H & R sports
Kyb agx 4 ways
24mm GSR front sway bar
22mm type R bar(on order)
mugen front strut tower bar(getting type R)
dc sports rear strut tower bar
Adr GT sports(17's) with kumho 712's
Some stock steelies with tires

In the process of buying new corbeau 3pt's and 15x7's with azenis

Main reason i was thinking of switchin is i wanted a bucket seat.. arg. but it jumps my class. is a LSD legal in sts???? And if i had one how would they check it?

 

Well, my suggestion was going to be returning the car back to stock and run with me in G-Stock.

You could actually make some money doing that.

Remove all of your suspension goodies except for the shocks and sell them on ebay. That could give you an easy couple hundred bucks in spending money to buy another set of steelies and some R-compound tires or, scratch that, attend an Evolution Performance Driving School and kill everybody in GS with just your street tires.

That would be my ideal decision if I was serious about this sport. Which I am and that's what I did. Sold my turbo Civic, bought a CRX, returned it back to stock, and run in GS. I saved some serious dough. You will also be more competitive when running in a stock class because you're so limited to what you can do to the vehicle.

Since you said your just out to have fun and I can understand that you want to tinker with your car a little more, you can stay in STS for now. Then if you buy an LSD, move up to STX. Then when you have even more money, make that big jump to DSP. It's a big step, but you'll still have fun no matter what class you drive in. It will just be hard to be competitive without spending the big money.

Good luck,

aj

 

it seems like as cars age, the trim line differences start to "disapear" in the minds of the rule book folks, and NOC starts to take over. why the GS-R is on a different line, i don't really understand. if it is really that much better, why is it in the same class as the ls/rs? and if they aren't that different, why not allow update/backdate between them?

i bought my rs used, and the previous owner had an aftermarket sunroof and aftermarket leather installed. the roof adds weight, though i'm not sure the seats did... i am still w/o ABS, cruise control and power locks, so i should be lighter than most other integras...

what options do i have w/ regard to the sunroof? i never use it, and something up there rattles and drives me crazy. what can be inserted to fill the hole? will that just make noise? will i save any weight? is it worth doing?

i have a feeling until i am really competing at the national level, my car would be fine in dsp locally against a 2.5rs that isn't as fast as it should be, and a neon. but for now, one set of azenis a year sounds much more appealing from a financial point of view.

thanks again,
phil

 

Is the Celica GT really quicker than the GT-S? Or is it just classed more competetively? GT-S is moving from DS to GS with the GT this season I think.

Also, I thought swapping parts between trim lines that are placed in the same class was legal, is it not?

 

The GT-S along with the RSX Type S will be moving to GS at the beginning of the 2004 season.

The GT (GS), currently, is more competitive than the GT-S (DS).

Update/Backdate is allowed in SP but not in stock class.

aj

 

as to the celica, and many cars, is a few top drivers start driving something, and everyone starts buying it and considers it the "overdog." seeing jason sani drive a local drivers boxster, i believe that to be the better car in BS (compared to the s2k), but more people can afford the s2k and everyone started buying it, so it places better... people started buying the celica gt for GS and that's what wins... but could something else be competitive, such as an integra rs? i keep hearing people use the weight of the celica gt as it's competitive advantage, but it is about the same as an integra rs. but we'll really never know the relative competitiveness since nobody nationally drives one...

i think the same holds for dsp... until someone that can place in the top 10 builds a non-vtec integra, it's really just speculation how they'll compete, though this board is capable of much more intelligent speculation than most...

as to update/backdate, it's not "same class," but "same line" in the rule book. for the integras, the gs-r is on one line, and all others are on another. so update/backdate between an rs/ls/gs is ok.

-phil

 

They have to be on the same line, not just in the same class.

 

ok so here are some questions about STS classing

Im swaping my 22mm sway bar for a gsr 24 mm and my 14 mm rear for a 22mm type R rear with the BSQ kit.

Does anyone have any idea if it changes my class. I was pretty sure that STS allowed spuspention(camber kits??) and sway bar's but not sure