alright , here is a good question , why are turbo kits so expensive ???

u can get a turbo for $800 to $600 ( turbo alone) so why the $3999 price tag?

do motor companys provent turbo parifalation because why buy a 2.3 litter motor if u can get a cheaper option on the car with smaller motor and turbo it for cheap?


dont tell me some one cant take 5 popular brands of cars and start making parts

set up a plant in mexico and start making turbos , make the price for kit no more the $1500 bolt on direct fit...

make the turbo compresor interchanble so u can change it to get more bost but slower spin up of less bust but faster spin up ( or just make 1 good turbo design)

sure there will be people out there that wont like this , they will still get there stuff from Blitz and others to boost there supra to 800 HP ... but i just want 50 to a 100 hp so that i dont get smoked by the new NEON .... i wont do $3999

WHY NOT MAKE CHEAP ELECTRIC TURBOS $250 A POP
we can send a man to the moon but we cant build a good electric motor that will
make at least 1 ps1 maybe more how much power would a electric turbo intake make....

<------ picture this --------->>>>


its a cold air intake that has an electric motor inside with a fan type blades spins
at a normal rate to get air into the car , but when the user wants he hits a swich that revs the motor to a much higher speed , maybe producing 3 to 4 psi
making some good hp there all for $ 250 to $300 ... tell me people wont like that


( cheaper then some intake systems and i bet u it will make more power when u need it )
*You are not taking into account engineering, design and production expense. *

Engineering , turbo technology has been around since before WW2 , turbos were used on fighter plains to compress the air to that the engine preformed at the same level at higher altitudes were the air is thiner .....

Take a proven turbo design and mass produce it

Production , today the import market acounts for over 3 billion in sales ( US alone )
a cheap mass produced turbo system that sells for $1500 would make every kid out there want one .... U know it too

the company that makes something like that would make money on volume prity fast ...


remember that civics are so popular to mod because u can get them for cheap , so why are the parts for them so expensive..


[Modified by tintin11, 12:19 AM 2/20/2003]


[Modified by tintin11, 12:21 AM 2/20/2003]

 

you have some good ideas...and bad ideas.

"no idea is original" that quote bugs the **** out of me, but it is true...

If you tried some of the things listed ie, producing turbo kits..you would see why they are so expensive.

You are not taking into account engineering, design and production expense.

Why are turbo kits so expensive...because people pay that much for them, its a matter of supply and demand.

 

It's all economics my friend. The good ol' Supply and Demad curve.

 

its not all suppy and demand, its the bigger idiot theory. a company can make millions of dollars with the net because if someone will buy a kit for 3000, they can find 10 that will buy the kit for 4000

 

Wow, I must have missed that in Econ class. Thanks for the lesson.
GHEY!!!

 

not flaming just putting my two cents in from my past experince. Ive owned everything from custom race turbo compnents to the simple kits. Manifolds turbos and wastegates cost money, if you break down the cost of a basic kit ergo rev hard and drag the cost are pretty much explained.

mani-550
turbo-900
wastegate-350
bov-200-
oil lines and fittings-180
piping is where it gets tricky
My shop will charge anywher from 550 to 700 deending on
the car and setup. this includes downpipe and welding and coating.
now imaging mass producing piping chromeing it out and getting all
the clamps and hose connectors.And lets not forget an intercooler-600
this is only a basic run down of a kit Im sure i forgot a lot more but they really dont make al that much.
In my history its better to part a kit together you can always find cheaper parts and you get everything you want.-pdang

 

its not gay its the way of the new world, the one including the internet. take the pt cruiser for example, they were selling for 10k over msrp.pt cruiser cost as much as a acura 3.2. supply and demand only works with substitue products. not inferior goods. go back to class

 

this has got to be the dumbest most pointless ******* topic here.... jeezus

turbos cost a lot for many reason, R&D for one, manufacturing costs, FUEL MANAGEMENT is vital, if you skip that, your fucked

 

Even though they are termed "kits" and to us it seems like there is a huge market for them...relative to the real world, the market is fairly limited. Second, except for a few common applications, most piping for kits is more or less custom and usually isn't carried in stock.

So when you place your order, they break out their specs for how they designed the kit, bend the pipes accordingly, and if you're lucky... the pipes will fit correctly. I've bought 2 of the exact same turbo kit and it's clear if you look at the weld marks and the fact that the matching pipes from the kits weren't always identical in length. Point being, they gotta make the piping for the more obscure kits on the spot and that's a hefty manufacturing cost.

At least now that more companies are beginning to use cast-iron molds to forge the manifolds, production costs might start getting lower.

Most of those $4000 kits include IC, piping, fuel pump (usually a crappy one), etc.

Imagine designing the kit yourself. By the time you figure out the piping, go around and collect all the necessary fuel management accessories and compatible parts for that specific MODEL of car, troubleshoot the kit... ughh, it's a pain in the ***, how much would you charge?

I think the price honestly is a relatively good deal. It's the labor, motor building, and down time that makes it worse.

 

Nitrous. Now quit bitching.
That is all.

 

man.. i wish i had money for a turbo. But come on, why bother having a turbo if everyone and their mother's got one. Money is always the key. If you start making cheaper turbos, that in turn will make it easier to buy higher quality turbos for those of better monetary means. The dodge neon...well..it's a quick car. Better save up for that 3000 price tag.

 

actually, my momma's got a supercharger on her car (SLK 230)

 

Dude, what are you talking about?? I have a degree in Econ and I own a successful business. I think I know what I am talking about.

The reason why the prices for the PT Cruiser was so high was because it had JUST come out (small supply) and there was HIGH demand... hence the $10K markup. Once the next year models came out and there was a greater supply (shifts the supply curve)...new Equilibrium price. Also, demand went down. Same concept with the S2000 when it first came out.

WTF is this "Way of the new world" BS you are talking about?? Must be something you made up.

Jesus!!! Class dismissed!! AHAHAHA


[Modified by AndyD, 6:03 PM 2/20/2003]

 

This post is just plain stupid and lame. Somebody please lock this crap
Brian

 

i pretty much said that already once, so there are now 2 turbo guys that say this post is rediculous...... do we have any more???

 

It's the way of the new world . AHAHA.
Sorry. I am done now. LOL

 

Werd!

Something tells me that the ignorant person who started this post is the same kind of person I have to waste an hour of my time with on the phone with, explaining why our main custom kit costs what it does ($4550 = double the whp of your honda reliably). Then they show up at a shop here in town and drop a grand on an exhaust, altezzas, and an intake........
Brian