Would you guys recommend or know anybody that has used Crower stage 3 cams. I've got a '93 hb with an h22, w/ 1mm oversize ferrera valves, dual valve springs, titanium retainers, port work, and 3 angle valve job. The bottom end is still stock. With stock cams we made 205whp on 1st pass, then next pass it went down to 191hp, and then way down to 168hp. We checked the compression and it was at 140 in cylinders 1 and 2. with it running like that I still ran 12.446 @ 106.8mph. I'm building the bottom end this winter.


[Modified by kwik93si, 4:41 AM 2/17/2003]

 

Dude....this is too funny. I live in Kitchener and I have Crower Stage 3 cams. Why don't you give me a shout and we can hook up, I wouldn't mind checking out this bottom end build, I could lend a hand....

Your dyno runs seem pretty weird, 205whp is impossible with a stock bottom end, stock cams, and just some oversized valves...168whp seems like a real number. Where they SAE?

Anyways I have crower stage 3's, if my motor was in the prelude I'd show them to you, but my motor should be ready in 3 weeks. They are badass....I made 203whp/160tq with my engine...consistently

Hit me up on msn satan_srv@hotmail.com or e-mail me and we can hook up if you want, there's nothing else to do in this stupid town


[Modified by satan_srv, 12:11 AM 2/17/2003]

 

im contemplating the stage 3 cams in my h22a4 with type 2 pistons, but im really unsure about the piston to valve clearance, especially with shaving the block. gonna have DPR do my homework for me first.

 

type-2 pistons?

 

OT:

Where do you guys run? I'm from windsor... I've been to St. Thomas a few times but was thinking about going to Milan Michigan this year (a lot closer)

 

WHAT!?!? You're nuts...

A friend of mine with a JDM H22A 4gen Accord dyno'd at 197/162 with home depot intake (dryer tubing), open greddy header, vafc, fpr, jun flywheel, clutchnet clutch, Unorthodox pulleys. stock block, stock head, no porting at all.

How you goin to say that 205whp is impossible with stock block? You know better than that Satan!!

 

Thanks for taking my sentence completely out of context. Re read my sentence and tell me what is nuts about it. Here I will quote it again

Tell what is nuts about that statement.

Windsor guy: When I was stock I ran 14.807 in my lude at St. Thomas...never got to run with the built motor, I broke it day before track day.



[Modified by satan_srv, 2:17 AM 2/17/2003]

 

He didn't have just some oversized valves though, so 205 is perfectly believable! Get on AIM and we can argue some more.

 

I have them (untested yet)

205 is pretty high... i've seen many many many dyno plots...

who ported your head, what are the flowbench numbers... and surely you must have more mods than that, what tires were you running, what suspension, what is your curb weight, driver weight... that's a low time.. pretty high wheel hp too...

when you take into consideration that allmotor cars need heavy tuning to get that power.. and basically on a stock engine, except valves and portjob..hmm.. when an h22a baselines around 160 to start with... 45whp = roughly 60hp.. i've never seen a portjob give 60hp over stock, if you did i'm sure it would be well advertized and nobody would be doing bolt ons if that was the case...

I think you should really spell the beans and tell us because i won't accept that ...

i'm with satan on this...

205 SAE corrected with a stock engine (with those mods listed).. highly unlikely.. not with stock p13...

 

I've got a '93 hb with an h22, w/ 1mm oversize ferrera valves, dual valve springs, titanium retainers, port work, and 3 angle valve job. The bottom end is still stock

If that's it I would put him at 168-172 or something...maybe I'm missing something...well he lives in my city of 190,000 so I'm sure I can check it out

 

err type S, thanks for the typo lookout

 

Oh well then for reference I was running Arias 11.5:1 pistons with Crower 3's in my H23 VTEC with no clearance issue. When you consider the larger H23 stroke they are pretty much type-S spec pistions, so I think youre clearance should be fine...of course check them though.

 

Type S pistons Type S cams , with both I accomplish 208 to the wheels on my H22.
but I only got 3 runs

 

how did you manage that? they real type s prelude only gets ~217 FW HP and it has a port job, a better TB and IM not to mention tuning. that should be about 180 tot he wheels.

 

hey kwik93si, where did u get your swap done and how much did u pay (if u don't mind me asking)? I myself am going to put a h22 in my civic but i just don't know who to take it to for this swap.

 

when my car was street driven i had 187whp and 156tq from a bone stock motor with intake open DC header and a custom tuned ecu. So how is less than 20hp more so hard to believe when the head is ported, shaved .002, 1mm oversize valves...think about it. It's believeable. When I didn't have my ecu done it was dynoed at 170whp and 144tq. After 6hrs on the dyno tuning my ecu we made that 17hp. Just the ecu tuning cost me $650can not including dyno time.
My car weighs in at 1960 w/ me. I weigh 212lbs myself. I was using 22x8x15 MT ET's. Skunk2 integra coilovers, 6point cromolly cage, lexan widows, etc.
I got my car done at Splitfire Performance in Brampton, ON. Talk to Paul Bhwan (905)457-2977. If you call him tell him Craig sent you, he'll hook you up. His car is sick to 9.40 @ 157mph w/ 670whp B18c1. If you guys don't believe me ask him yourselves because he did the work.

 

tuning is the key.....espicially V-AFC...dId I mentioned shaved head..I'm curious if gear ratio gives HP

 

Splitfire buiilds great motors, I don't really doubt it so much, and now you've given the detail. Hit me up I want to see this bad boy...I may have my engine back in 3 weeks if you want to check out the cams...

 

sounds good man. my msn is cbrownn208@rogers.com. my car is still at Splitfire right now, but I'm going there next Sat. if you want to come check it out. Just let me know by email or something

 

Thanks man, i'll talk to him.
BTW doesn't paul have a b18b bottem end with a b16a head??

 

i believe that im looking at a old time slip from my h22a/ f20b setup it made 186whp with 142tq baseline and ran 12.427@106.11 mph 1.732 60 foot. 5.069 330 foot. 7.889 1/8 mile 85.88mph 1/8. after tuning it made 194whp with 152.9 tq.

 

Hey D.SPECS,
You have Type S Pistons, and you milled your head? How much did you mill it.. I'm wondering what your compression ratio is. I'm building my motor right now, and I'm planning on leaving my pistons stock JDM cause I milled my head .030 and with type S pistons I thought the CR would be too high for pump gas. Thanks.

 

LuckyRacing.... wait wait wait wait.... You say you ran a 12.427@106.11 with ONLY 186hp???? Ehh... what kinda car was that H22 in?... a prelude is much too heavy to run that fast, with that low of HP

Edit: nevermind, I just saw that you have a civic HB.. makes sense now.


[Modified by Prelude Styl, 2:16 PM 2/18/2003]

 

40 thous and no pinging, and no problem with the Piston to valve clearance

Is it true 40 thou raises 1 point on C/R