Adjustable Upper Control Arms - Need your opinions and input
I'm researching the possibility of constructing some adjustable upper control arms for civics/integras (possibly more if there is demand for it). I would like to produce something that will not slip like the Skunk2 kit, yet does not cost $450. I was thinking of using threaded ends in place of the Skunk2 system. Replies can be left here or emailed to: jenkinrp@jmu.edu . I hope to have a few sets for prototyping available in a few months.
Thanks in Advance,
RJ
A. First, i would like to have some information about you.
1. Name:
2. Type of Vehicle:
3. Use of vehicle (autocross, street, show, road race):
4. If raced, what class:
5. How much is your vehicle lowered:
B. If you could, rate from 1 to 5 the importance of these items as well as providing any subjective opinions on the matter as well (i.e. for "color" you could say "i prefer black").
1. Cost (and how much you would pay)
2. Weight of Product
3. Ease of adjustability (on car / off car)
4. Range of adjustability
5. Type of material (steel vs. alluminum)
6. Color
7. Finish (painted, powdercoat, polished)
8. Are you currently using a similar product
9. Would you be interested in a new product
10. Type of mounting to vehicle (rubber bushing, poly bushings, helm joint)
11. Included upper ball joint
12. Gaining additional camber (not lowered very much)
13. Reducing camber due to lowering
14. Serviceability
15. Ease of installation
C. If you currently use a similar product (Skunk2, Ingalls, Auto Specialty) could you answer the following questions?
1. Are you satisfied with its performance?
2. How would you improve on its performance?
3. How would you change the design of the product?
4. How much did you pay for this product?
5. Is this product adjustable?
6. If so, what is the range of adjustment?
7. Any other comments about your current product:
Thanks in Advance,
RJ
A. First, i would like to have some information about you.
1. Name:
2. Type of Vehicle:
3. Use of vehicle (autocross, street, show, road race):
4. If raced, what class:
5. How much is your vehicle lowered:
B. If you could, rate from 1 to 5 the importance of these items as well as providing any subjective opinions on the matter as well (i.e. for "color" you could say "i prefer black").
1. Cost (and how much you would pay)
2. Weight of Product
3. Ease of adjustability (on car / off car)
4. Range of adjustability
5. Type of material (steel vs. alluminum)
6. Color
7. Finish (painted, powdercoat, polished)
8. Are you currently using a similar product
9. Would you be interested in a new product
10. Type of mounting to vehicle (rubber bushing, poly bushings, helm joint)
11. Included upper ball joint
12. Gaining additional camber (not lowered very much)
13. Reducing camber due to lowering
14. Serviceability
15. Ease of installation
C. If you currently use a similar product (Skunk2, Ingalls, Auto Specialty) could you answer the following questions?
1. Are you satisfied with its performance?
2. How would you improve on its performance?
3. How would you change the design of the product?
4. How much did you pay for this product?
5. Is this product adjustable?
6. If so, what is the range of adjustment?
7. Any other comments about your current product:
A. First, i would like to have some information about you.
1. Name: Brian Maeng
2. Type of Vehicle: 94 Acura Integra LS
3. Use of vehicle (autocross, street, show, road race): autox, hpde, strizzeet
4. If raced, what class:
5. How much is your vehicle lowered: eibach pro-kit (1" - 1.5")
B. If you could, rate from 1 to 5 the importance of these items as well as providing any subjective opinions on the matter as well (i.e. for "color" you could say "i prefer black").
1. Cost (and how much you would pay) 3 - i've noticed that you get what you pay for
2. Weight of Product 3
3. Ease of adjustability (on car / off car) 5
4. Range of adjustability 4
5. Type of material (steel vs. alluminum) 3
6. Color 1 - carb0n fiber, y0
7. Finish (painted, powdercoat, polished) 1
8. Are you currently using a similar product no
9. Would you be interested in a new product n/a
10. Type of mounting to vehicle (rubber bushing, poly bushings, helm joint) 4
11. Included upper ball joint 3
12. Gaining additional camber (not lowered very much) 3
13. Reducing camber due to lowering 3
14. Serviceability 4
15. Ease of installation 5
C. If you currently use a similar product (Skunk2, Ingalls, Auto Specialty) could you answer the following questions?
1. Are you satisfied with its performance?
2. How would you improve on its performance?
3. How would you change the design of the product?
4. How much did you pay for this product?
5. Is this product adjustable?
6. If so, what is the range of adjustment?
7. Any other comments about your current product:
1. Name: Brian Maeng
2. Type of Vehicle: 94 Acura Integra LS
3. Use of vehicle (autocross, street, show, road race): autox, hpde, strizzeet
4. If raced, what class:
5. How much is your vehicle lowered: eibach pro-kit (1" - 1.5")
B. If you could, rate from 1 to 5 the importance of these items as well as providing any subjective opinions on the matter as well (i.e. for "color" you could say "i prefer black").
1. Cost (and how much you would pay) 3 - i've noticed that you get what you pay for
2. Weight of Product 3
3. Ease of adjustability (on car / off car) 5
4. Range of adjustability 4
5. Type of material (steel vs. alluminum) 3
6. Color 1 - carb0n fiber, y0
7. Finish (painted, powdercoat, polished) 1
8. Are you currently using a similar product no
9. Would you be interested in a new product n/a
10. Type of mounting to vehicle (rubber bushing, poly bushings, helm joint) 4
11. Included upper ball joint 3
12. Gaining additional camber (not lowered very much) 3
13. Reducing camber due to lowering 3
14. Serviceability 4
15. Ease of installation 5
C. If you currently use a similar product (Skunk2, Ingalls, Auto Specialty) could you answer the following questions?
1. Are you satisfied with its performance?
2. How would you improve on its performance?
3. How would you change the design of the product?
4. How much did you pay for this product?
5. Is this product adjustable?
6. If so, what is the range of adjustment?
7. Any other comments about your current product:
a.1. Brian Drumm 2. 93 civic hatch 3. autox, street 4. street mod 5. 1.5 to 2
b. 1. 3 say around $300?
2. 4 just not too heavy
3. 5
4. 4 -2 to +2
5-7. 1 whatever works
8. no
9. yes
10. 4 poly
11. 5 something fairly standard so we can get replacements
12-13. 3 a little of both would be good
14. 5 replaceable balljoints
15. 1 how hard could it be?
c. I did run an ingals kit for awhile then i got rid of it it did not have enough negitive adjustiment, one side was adjusted as negitive as it could go and the wheel was still postive, also they were horible to try to adjust
[Modified by bikeboy80, 10:44 PM 2/9/2003]
b. 1. 3 say around $300?
2. 4 just not too heavy
3. 5
4. 4 -2 to +2
5-7. 1 whatever works
8. no
9. yes
10. 4 poly
11. 5 something fairly standard so we can get replacements
12-13. 3 a little of both would be good
14. 5 replaceable balljoints
15. 1 how hard could it be?
c. I did run an ingals kit for awhile then i got rid of it it did not have enough negitive adjustiment, one side was adjusted as negitive as it could go and the wheel was still postive, also they were horible to try to adjust
[Modified by bikeboy80, 10:44 PM 2/9/2003]
Just some pictures for possible construction ideas.
1. Name: Carl Hoffman
2. Type of Vehicle: 1994 Integra
3. Use of vehicle (autocross, street, show, road race): autocross, daily driver
4. If raced, what class: Street Touring S
5. How much is your vehicle lowered: around 1.5-2 inches
B. If you could, rate from 1 to 5 the importance of these items as well as providing any subjective opinions on the matter as well (i.e. for "color" you could say "i prefer black").
1. Cost (and how much you would pay) 2....around 200-250
2. Weight of Product: 2 as light as possible, but without sacrificing strength
3. Ease of adjustability (on car / off car) 3 on car
4. Range of adjustability 1 need to get at least -3 degrees
5. Type of material (steel vs. alluminum) 2 strength is the key, but can't be too heavy
6. Color 5 i don't care
7. Finish (painted, powdercoat, polished) 5 dont matter to me
8. Are you currently using a similar product: no
9. Would you be interested in a new product: yes
10. Type of mounting to vehicle (rubber bushing, poly bushings, helm joint): 1 poly bushings, heim joint not legal for STS
11. Included upper ball joint:4 yes
12. Gaining additional camber (not lowered very much) :2
13. Reducing camber due to lowering 5
14. Serviceability 3
15. Ease of installation 1
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The A-sports arms are nice and pretty, but having to disconnect them from the body to make changes seems like it would be a pain. For those of you who have EF's and DA's, Vision does make an arm similar to the Skunk2 item for DC/EG. Granted, it's still expensive, but it's cheaper than the A-sports option. Personally, I'd love to see something cheap and reliable made domestically.
http://www.technicasport.co.jp/kit.htm
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