Does anyone have any experience with JIC full coilovers for a hatch or crx? im interested in them, but i want to hear reviews or what you have heard about them. thanx.

 

Yeah Im interested too. Doesnt their setup go for like 1500? thats a lil steep for me but JIC makes good stuff. Free bump cause I'd like to know as well.

Blaze

 

i would also like to know this. on JDMHONDAPARTS.COM they had to sets and both looked really nice!!! the full race ones looked insane. but i was just woundering what they were made of and if anyone has them? are they as good as tein? i would maybe like to pick up a set if i ever get a job. damn.

 

are you road racing in events where you have an opportunity to win lots of money?

If not, they are a waste of money.

If so, they might be worth it.

Otherwise, stick to the tried and true Koni/GC setup.

 

But Kam, some of us just like to blow money on misc. crap

 

Yeah nutting like riddin 'round wit 4dollars worth the race gas rolling on some $1500 coil-overs. I am guilty of blowing stupid amounts of money on stuff I don't really need. I was thinking of buying the TEIN setup. But in reality Kam is right Koni GC . He is also one hell of a driver you should watch his video of him racing.

 

JIC over tein

 

i disagree . . . .. . KONI/GC ----- With a good quality (jic/tein/buddyclub/zeal/etc) full coilover you gain:

- shortstroke ---shorter body for more useable travel in the required range
- larger diameter body ----more oil capacity-less prone to overheating or aeration
-larger diameter piston-----more precise damping control
-rebuildable-----able to overhaul and change damping
-body length/stroke adjust ----able to more finely tune the height of your car and the stroke of your dampers ( who needs 4" of droop?!?!?)
-more damping adjustment----most quality dampers have more steps for adjustment AND a wider range of damping so you can tune your spring rate as well
-pillow ball upper mount----more precise road to damper contact, no bushing slop--damper can control ALL road irregularities NOT what the bushing lets it.
-variety of materials ---available in light weight alloys for less unsprung weight.
-higher quality-----manufacturing tolerances are higher which offers higher performance and damper consistency.
ETCETERA. . . .-----they are wayy more trick-- they look better--they FEEEEEL better. . I can go on and on and on.. jsut ask ANYONE running good quality (mosly japanese) dampers..

Dont get me wrong. . im not knocking KONI as a damper manufacturer, they make incredible racing dampers. . NOR EIBACH as a spring manufacturer. . The ERS range of springs are awesome, both in quality and selection. . BUT KONI YELLOWS SUCK!!!!!!! even more.. sooooo many autocrossers try to push " koni/gc s " on anyone who asks.. . . IMO the only reason people run koni/gc's is because they have never TRIED the real deal. .and somebody told them to run them. .
Drive for ONE week on nice coilovers and compare them to "koni/gc "
you will NEVER go back. ..


GET the JIC's. . they are dope.. (you can use an ITR kit if there is no available one for your car. )

ps.. the TEIN SS's are a shame though. . TEIN took a great kit ( HA ) and softened it up for US market and now people buy them and talk ****. .too bad.. the HA kit was excellent bang for your buck..

werd. . . . .. .. .. .


[Modified by goldffronts, 8:31 AM 2/14/2003]

 

haha. that has to be the trueest post. The SS are nice, but they are just your basic coilover. If you want something better. Spend some money


[Modified by Bryant, 10:30 PM 2/14/2003]

 

How do you think the TEIN SS compare to the JIC SF-1 http://jic-magic.com/sf1_series.htm, since u say they are just the basic coilover? Those are their most basic coilovers from JIC, and the only ones available for the EF. How do they compare to the RA's? i know they are different classes though, the RA's are both dampening and height adjustable, while the SF-1's are only height adjustable. thanx

 

And have never riddin in a car with JIC. So your asking the wrong person. This question acaully would probley be better asked in the tech forum. since it doesnt look like tons/anyone with an EF has JIC.

EDIT: but from what I can see, from reading that. They are pretty much like the HA's. The only diffference is that the HA's have Damper adjustibility (which is very nice to have), the HA's have a helper spring, for a smoother ride and less bounce. Also the HA's have a cover the goes over the strut to protect agains dust and other crap. On that page it says the JIC's are made out of Alum. or Steel, depending on aplication. If the EF one is made out of Alum. That is a plus for JIC, because the HA's are made out of steel. Its probley just a personaly preferace issure between the two.


[Modified by Bryant, 4:34 AM 2/14/2003]


[Modified by Bryant, 10:30 PM 2/14/2003]

 

the difference is.. the SF-1's are not dampening adjustable the SA-1's are. .. . the SS's are as well.. but the SS's dont come with pillow upper mounts ...but the JIC's do. . for an entry level user the SS's will be a beter value. .You forego the pillow upper which is not totally needed . .for adjustable dampening. which.. imo. you NEEd. even just to get a feel for your car with different damening characteristics.. i dont know the price difference.. but im sure that the ss's WITH upper pillow mounts will be more thanthe SF-1's . BASICALLY the SA-1's are on the same level as the TEIN HA (with pillowball kit.) For reference.. the SS kit is an US market only HA kit without the tender springs(not needed anyways)and softer spring rates and dampening (Eg... for an EK, HA rates are 10kfr/7krr and the SS rates are 8kfr/4krr. . a pretty big difference.. .. The HA kit is an HR kit WITH dampening adjust.(discontinued) the SA-1 is an SF-1 kit WITH dampening adjust.. the ZEAL B2 kit is a BASIC kit WITH dampening adjust..

If you are ASKING about coilovers.. you probably shouldn't even consider RA's . they are pretty much a race kit .. streetable but NOT entry level at all.. the spring rates for RA. .on an EK are 14kfr/10krr. . WWWAYYY stiffer. .usually used on the track. . but some hardcore's like em on the street.

if there is no aplication for your car.. you can use an ITR kit with '92up front fork and either itr or JDM EG/DC lca's. .or 88 EF lca's. . if you gots questions just IM me. . (Thats what i used to have)


[Modified by goldffronts, 1:15 PM 2/14/2003]

 

Alright, we'll compare who's car can slalom better, have a higher lateral grip, and rides better.

JICs are definitely better than koni/GCs, that's not the problem. The thing is, are you running a road race? Are you doing competitive autocross? Are you nationally competitive? If not, why do you NEED $1500 coilovers? the NEED vs the WANT is what i'm aiming at. If you want them, get them... does it matter if they are better or worse... that's SECONDARY in your decision. You just want to say "I have JIC full coilovers, whereas you have sleeved coilovers! I'm better!"...

Not to mention, a lot of classes don't allow threaded shock bodies.

The OTHER problem is, i'm sure 80% of the owners of JIC full coilovers don't have a CLUE how to properly tune their suspension.

But, if you want them, great! Enjoy! No one is saying NOT get them.. but when you include performance... the price isn't worth it when other cheaper alternatives have proven themselves to work (Koni/GCs).

 

Why do people want to dump so much money in a car thats not even worth the 1500?
Realize the car is that many years old and a newer platform might be what you should be looking into!
And Driven is right, we all know what is better, but the matter of the fact is do you want it and do you road race and auto x, or you just want bragging rights to say i have em so people can envy you. I mean if you have the money, more power to you to buy em, but the matter of the fact is do you need em. I mean its your money
who am i do say

 

a newer platform is better?!?!?!? thats why a lot of 1st gen crx/3rd gen civics win their classes as well as the ED chassis...Old Skool is where its at fool...

 

I have on the tein RA straight for the jspec EF9 ....and i love them.i use them daily driven everyday.....it might be a little hard for some of the wussies out there but i like the stiffiness....

 

On their website it says EF8/9 yr88 does that matter what year is your car? I have a 89 CRX Si and a 90 Civic DX. Will it fit my car? What are the differences from 88-89^ cars, suspension wise that is? Anyone know?

 

As stated above. Im sure tons of have dumped usless amounts of money into our cars. Think of those that buy 700 beaters then drop a 1500 engine in it. I dont think that pretty usless. Its smart. Upgrading is for the best.


[Modified by Bryant, 10:31 PM 2/14/2003]

 

Not to flame, just inform:

-Neuspeed edition Koni Yellows have a 22mm shorter shock body.
-Koni's have a larger piston than stock, I don't know how they compare to Tein/JIC
-Yellow's are rebuildable/revalvable
-Yellow's are infinitely adjustable, although only in rebound in OTS form
-Koni/GC has a greater variety of spring rates/length available for a more affordable price

I can't speak for the quality/materials issue, but I do know Koni's are lifetime guaranteed even when used for racing. The only advantage I can see for full coilovers is the pillowball mount and usage of a tender spring to make it a little more bearable on the street. Also, the matched spring/shock combo is better (arguably) for those who aren't ever going to take the time to really tune their suspension. Are those advantages worth $700? Not to me.

But they certainly are tight/dope/phat.


[Modified by tylerdurden, 3:09 AM 2/15/2003]


[Modified by tylerdurden, 3:09 AM 2/15/2003]

 

get the JIC for the crx its 1250 and the tein ss is like 900 so your not paying all that much more and the JIC, and they handle the elements better. as for the money thing i bought my crx for 800 and put about 12000 into so far and it can out perform most cars... and its a blast to work on. 90-00 cars will always keep me happy maybe when the newer technology is older?? it will be fun to **** with but until then buy a cheap car and deck the living hell out of it cuz its sooo much fun.
just thought id throw in my stupid *** opinion

 

my friends tiens (ha's) sleeves rusted up after a while, and from what some people have told me they say to go with the RA's.. but i would choose JIC over tein, i gues its because the shop i wokr at is a dealer for them

 

hehehehe..i like my tanabe sustec better

gc spring rate is too low for competitive racing. unless you're one heck of a driver and have a fast *** engine..other cars with similar setup (or better) and with better suspension will lap your *** like nothing.

but i agree with driven's point. most of the people just buy it for the name, and never put it to its good for

those suspensions are good to take turns, not to straight lines

Jeff-

 

That's the beauty of GC- custom spring rates for $25 per spring.

 

so the gc would cost around 400 w/ the custom sprign rate. plus 350+ for the shocks...that's $750+. depends on where you get those big true dampers..you can get it for around $900. now...for 250 more..i would go with the "true" dampers rather than piece up kit..

Jeff-

 

Rear suspension is diff btw. 88 and 89-91. Not sure on the exact differences, but I'm sure someone else does.