Ok, here is part of the setup that I have devised for my car:
JE 11.5:1 Pistons
Crower Rods
Spoon Head Gasket
Skunk2 Valves (Flat)
Skunk2 Valve Springs
Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams
Skunk2 Cam Gears
ARP Head Studs
JDM 4-1 Header
Carsound Cat
Hondata E.C.U.

I have several questions about Fuel Delivery, and also about the Hondata. First for the fuel delivery, will I need an FPR, higher flowing fuel rail, and injectors? What size injectors would be a good match? What model Hondata should I look into? I want to raise the rev limit to around 9,000 and be able to play with my a/f ratio. What other features do they offer that would be benificial to me? Is there anything that I am forgetting, or that you would reccomend over my setup? The car will be mostly street driven on 93 octan pump gas.

Thanks,

Matt

 

Dont NEED fuel rail, dont NEED injectors(can probably stick with stock injectors, but I would get some 370cc's just to be safe), FPR is a good idea, probably want atleast a hondata stage 2 or one of the new hondata systems for more flexibility, and make sure the skunk2 valvetrain is able to rev to 9K with no problems. Other than that, Id say tuning is key. its just my opinion, HTH

 

i would recommend the following:

CTR pistons
Stock ITR rods
stock head gasket
stock itr valves
toda valvesprings
skunk cams
cam gears
portflow retainers
portflow headwork(if you can afford it)
arp studs
smsp header
hondata s200
370cc injectors

balance the bottom end, get good tuning and you're golden

also, make sure you check your cam gear adjustment limits

 

that's almost the exact setup i'll be going for with my c5, except i'm considering a Mugen headgasket, and AEM EMS. why do you recommend aftermarket retainers? Aren't OEM ITR ones good enough to handle revving to 9k? I've just heard bad things about how long Ti retainers will last, since they are a "race" part.

 

You've HEARD bad things.
Ive NEVER SEEN any bad things when everything was assembled properly.
Use the right parts and set them up right, and you can eliminate a lot of the problems.

 

I would imagine the stock retainers wouldnt last very long either when revving to 9K.

 

They actually seem to be okay. But i prefer to use Ti.

 

@SGT
Sounds like a very solid setup...
But I would do it a little different:

stick with stock cams and get a free flowing cat and an fine catback exhaust instead the skunk cams and valvetrain.

190-200whp is possible, I think. Maybe not as good as your recommandation but he can stick with OEM-reliabiliy. Remember, it`s a street car. Racing parts are not made for the daily grind in my eyes. I had to learn this the hard way.*

What do you think ?

*
drove 40k km with aftermarket parts....and a spring broke




[Modified by ITR1858, 10:02 PM 1/30/2003]

 

What kinda power would this setup have if you(SGT) tuned it?


[Modified by steves98itr247, 4:01 PM 1/30/2003]

 

probably like 600hp and we would have no clue where VTEC crossover was

 

possible, but you would run into detonation problems due to the small cams
and big compression.

whose spring? what setup?
sure you take that chance when you go with aftermarket parts,
but you also have to take into consideration that there are parts
out there that have a much less chance of failing.

 

I would expect in the neighborhood of 210-220

 

WHY IS THAT??

 

its lighter. dont you read this forum?

 

YUP. JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU DO, SINCE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OTHER VIEWS. LIKE USING STOCK , ETC.
JUST ASKING A QUESTION TO BENEFIT MYSELF AND OTHERS THAT DON'T WANT TO ASK. SORRY FOR THE TROUBLE.

 

I would say rc310's or 270's. I just don't think you need that much fuel. I had too much fuel when i had spec b toda's and 12.4:1 toda pistons. Just turn it up on the ECU side and run higher fuel pressure.

 

you can never have too much fuel.

ALWAYS budget an extra 20% more than you need.

 

I suggest you sell the type R motor and buy a GSR motor and use the difference for parts. You'll basically end up with the same engine anyways.

 

here we go again

why the **** would i want to do that?
my motor has vin #s that match my car...

 

Sleeve that bad boy and go 2 liter.

< wants a 2 liter R.

 

For most simple NA setups using stock bore I would stick to stock injectors or 270cc at the most.

I made 196hp@wheels with a completely stock fuel system. I ran Endyn rollerwave mid compression pistons,stock type r head and camshafts, jdm 4-1 header, cam gears, fuel pressure regulator, and a stock headgasket.

Titanium retainers are a waste of money for a simple street car setup. Stock retainers hold up fine. My stock type r head took 80,000 miles of constant 8900 rpm shifts and numerous over revs (no limiter) before a retainer finally cracked.

No matter what kind of spring/retainer setup you have after 80,000 miles of that kind of abuse im sure something will probably break.

I think its important to try and keep your engine setup simple. I've seen so many people dump thousands and thousands into their engines and still cant make over 200 at the wheels....where i had a basically stock engine with higher compression pistons and was very close to 200...and plenty of torque too 141 ft lbs!

 

big fawkin deal.

 

Ok, I think I am going to go with the following setup:
CTR pistons/rings
Stock ITR rods
Stock head gasket
Stock ITR valves
Skunk2 Valvesprings
Skunk2 cams
Skunk2 cam gears
Skunk2 retainers
ARP Studs
JDM 4-1
2.5” Cat
Hondata s200
370cc injectors

Quotes that I have recieved on the labor for putting this package together are around $2200-2500. Is that reasonable? MD/VA/DC

Thanks,

Matt

 

one of my local shops charges a minimum $1500 just to put a motor back together. a buildup similar to that cost me about 2800, but I was pretty much ripped off. i suggest learning as much as you can and you can save yourself some cash by doing some of it yourself, like taking it apart. why would want to pay someone labor hours for disassembling the motor? if i ever do another build up, I will be taking my own motor apart, and taking the parts to the machine shops myself. Then Ill pay to have someone assemble it up again properly.

Ryan, who give a middlefinger to labor costs.

 

Ok, I think I am going to go with the following setup:
CTR pistons/rings
Stock ITR rods
Stock head gasket
Stock ITR valves
Skunk2 Valvesprings
Skunk2 cams
Skunk2 cam gears
Skunk2 retainers
ARP Studs
JDM 4-1
2.5? Cat
Hondata s200
370cc injectors

Quote That was basically my last set up and i made 210whp on pump gas and that is unbreakable except you have real high compression and you need a hondatat to be able to tune that high of compression..