(about itr expo)

ok. it's rare that i would ever have my serious hat on this board, but after figuring out which part of the track will be finished/ran by all of us...

do any of you see having approx 20 cars on the track at any given time a potential problem? I'm not saying I have a problem myself as I havent seen this track, but remembering back to a day on limerock, with i think around 13~ cars per session things were pretty jammed together...either passing someone every other straight away, or being stuck behind some cars. Only time I actually had some free space to go at it was when i took pole at start... (which came to a halt after lap 2 via a "stock" civic si )

edit: as clarification, this is not a means to bash on asahi, or anyone else who has taken charge and is working diligently to arrange this event. imho its in quite capable and responsible hands.

-Tom

<-- nomex suit on. :fire:




[Modified by Soup ****, 1:28 AM 1/27/2003]

 

I'm not sure how big Beaverun is, but at Summit we run 25 to 30 cars in a session. Yeah, it's crowded, but we manage. It will be important for the drivers to pay attention to their mirrors and be generous with the passing signals.

Although, seeing as how we will all be driving similar cars, we may not have too many people that are seriously held up. Well, except for Ed...

 

it don't matter....all you are ever gonna see is my apc ALTEZZA's!! JOKE.....

don't know bout this track or what configuration we will be running but 20 is alot if the track is only 1 mile long...i believe the beaver (hahahhaaha i crack up everytime...sorry) is over 2 miles..general knowledge ahs told me 1 car per tenth of a mile of track so if it is over 2 miles then 20 cars would be fine.......this will help first timers cause they will be forced to watch their mirrors....

 

chad you may have a point...wasnt aware the segment we would be on is 2 miles, so it wont be more cramped than it was in limerock hopefully..

floyd: same/similar cars is a plus, but that can be a blessing and pain at the same time. last track event i was in noob session and what i found out: most of the non-itr's were torque machines. fly down the straight away, while they were uber slow in the turns. (vettes) meanwhile the cars who had similar or slightly faster acceleration as the car i was in, were also a pain as I could not gain on them on the straights, and some of them were much less experienced in taking turns, which was annoying b/c while i was on their *** (a wrx), they would not let me pass.

either way, i hope for a good turn out, easier to point people pass, and more drivers who are more liberal with the point bys. Thank you both for answering my question.


[Modified by Soup ****, 2:06 AM 1/27/2003]

 

Just remember to give people ample space when trying to pass. You can really spooky a rookie bad by riding their *** through the turns, causing a potentially bad situation. What i found works well, if you are the car being passed but there isnt enough room to be safely passed in a passing zone, is to wave your inside arm to the driver behind you, letting them know that you are aware of their presence and that in the next passing zone they will receive a point-by. The driver attempting to pass can now ease off a little from the other car because they know you are back there and will let you by at the next safe opportunity.

Not directed at anyone, just sharing some info

Brian

 

Yup, that is what I would have said.

It was the most we were comfortable with based on NASA suggestions. At this point I wish I had more slots . . .

 

After all ... this is not a race as we all keep saying, just an opportunity to go out and have some fun while exercising ourselves and our cars.

Showing off a little now and then doesn't hurt either as long as everyone keeps their head on their sholders and doesn't let pride get in the way.

I'm sure we won't have any repeats of the 7-8 lap "situation" we'd experienced at Buttonwillow!

Trey
Crazy turbo Ed


[Modified by zygspeed, 8:14 AM 1/27/2003]

 

No we won't! That is what I have George for he won't be nearly as patient as those guys were. I won't either. I can remember watching that saying "c'mon, throw the black flag this is stupid!"

 

FYI Beaverun is 1.6 miles or so--I think 20 per session should be pretty decent--if you're passing or being passed too much, maybe you could try a different run group?

 

What was the 'situation" at buttonwillow?
Peter

 

During our first ever ITR Expo at Buttonwillow there were several (6-8 cars) that couldn't get out of each other's way for several laps ... inspite of numerous blue passing flags being waved.
Part of the problem was that one or two of the cars were significantly faster down the straight (one supercharged car comes to mind ), but were a bit behind the curve (so to speak) in the more technical twisty sections.

Long story short ... there was a train of cars that ended up being 3-wide down the front/pit straight!
It was almost funny , really.
In the end our Chief Instructor "The Wiz" gave those involved a stern talking to and the second day of the event went much more smoothly, afterwards.

In defense of those involved, this was most likely their first time on the track ... and during the whole event there was no bent sheet metal.

Ed


[Modified by zygspeed, 10:14 AM 1/27/2003]

 

20 per run group is the most George, Trey and myself decided would be safe. It's a bit over the normal 16 cars per session but I've done events of 60 cars with no sessions on sebring before with 40-45 cars on track at a given time with no issues which is about the same ratio of cars/track length (not quite, but close enough).

As a quick note, if you are the front car in a pack of cars and the others have caught up with you, LET them pass on the first available passing zone. Even if you are faster in the straightaway you are obviously not faster around the track, so let those people by.

Also, I'll ask now, do NOT get on people's asses. This does nothing except make the other driver nervous. I don't care how much faster you are or that the other driver didn't let you pass. There is NO reason to be on someone's *** the whole course waiting for a passing zone.

 

Damn you're no fun....

Craig - Who enjoys braking late and looking inside on the turns


[Modified by AssPenny, 10:38 AM 1/27/2003]

 

Although the "supercharged" and "behind the curve" comments fit me to a T, that driver was NOT ME at buttonwillow.

 

yeah, hear hear...last i tried that in a "S" turn with a wrx and got owned because i went 2 off. pretty gay i was paying too much attention to the wrx and not enough to where my feet where .

lucky the fellow ricer behind me knew to go around my sideways ***

 

We can teach people how to "brake check" other drivers j/k

Mattj