my friend tells me to buy this mugen wing for sale because it should enhance the aerodynamics of the CRX...

well, i'm not too familiar with the wing... i know what they look like and everything, but i'm wondering if it truly is strong enough to provide downforce... and if not, will it help by diffusing turbulance behind the car?

do i sound like a riceboy yet? LOL


[Modified by Turbo Lover, 2:15 PM 1/23/2003]

 

There is no point for you to buy a wing. It will not help your car in anyway unless you buy a custom made wing for your particular model of car. For this to be done correctly it will take hours of computer model testing and after a design has been reached it will require many hours of wind tunnel aerodynamic testing to fine tune for maximum downforce and aerodynamic stability for the speeds that will be encountered in that vehicle. Most custom wings are made adjustable so that race teams can adjust the downforce for a particular need or want on different layed out race tracks. If you put on one of the "UNIVERSAL" aftermarket wings on the back of your car, you will create more drag and aerodynamic instability. "IT IS FOR LOOKS ONLY" Hope this helps!

 

YES!

wait 'til he reads this... bwuhahahaha... 0wned.

 

Perhaps the Mugen wing has some testing done to it though...Ive seen them in wind tunnels testing their kits and such. How much downforce it adds *shrug*

With that said, unless you plan to stay near 100+ while turning there is no point to getting a wing. They are functional (not all wings..but id bet the mugens are, as well as custom wings with hours of research), but at street speeds they wont do anything but look nice. They arent going to help your 1/4 times

-Jake Edit: I mean Bubb




[Modified by BuBB RuBB, 9:03 AM 1/23/2003]

 

the wing may not necessarily add rear downforce, but it may, and most likely will improve the aerodynamics of the car.

 

yeah, actually as i think about it... it surely does help aerodynamics... think back to your old middle school science classes and you might know what i'm talking about... the shape of the CRX hatch just drops off at a 90 degree angle sending air sprawling all over the place... the mugen wing takes that air and keeps it going straight... bye-bye turbulance...

how many planes do you see with a big flat ***? lol... yeah, that'll work.

of course with that said... this won't help stability unless you're going pretty damn fast...

heh... i still ain't buyin' it.

 

What he said. But for it to work it can't allow air to flow under it. The wing wound have to be flush with the rest of the body.

Nice avatar.

 

the wing, the original mugen wing that extends the back of the rex does help. in a nutshell, it detaches the airflow beyond the rear of the car, smoothing it out.
and it does help at relatively slow speeds, say 60+.
if it is a cheap buy, get it. my diffuser, ghetto as it is, helps the stability of the car at highway speeds.
stan

 

LOL, mugen and Cheap dont fit in the same sentance. But you always could get the WW replica.

 

Not EVERYONE gets a wing/spoiler for downforce, some do it to reduce lift and/or drag.

If you need any more info on reducing lift and drag with a spoiler talk to Audi about their fvck-up with the TT.

I have the spoiler on my CRX that came from the factory and personally think crx's look better with a little "something" on the back.





[Modified by rice_classic, 3:12 PM 1/23/2003]

 

Almost all wings will INCREASE drag (exceptions being newer designed sports cars, exotics...) while increasing downforce...not really noticeable except at high speeds...

In theory...more downforce would cause more weight on the rear end...which in turn would increase oversteer

 

Wings? or spoilers? I agree that most WINGS increase draq where as spoiler are (for the most part) designed to reduce it. Just because something looks like "disturbs" the air flow doesn't mean it hurts the aerodynamics.

These aren't aren't meant to increase downforce but to decrease rear drag/lift

 

Yeh it has to do a lil something to push down on the back better than nothing being there... And just cause its not rwd to add downforce to the spinning rear wheels.. but do push down around turns help oversteer slightly.. as long as it is angled downward like that black ones does.. That **** is hot.. What wing is that one, i wnat that **** for my crx. someone as to know where to buy one.

 

I dont think they will make any difference unless you plan on driving 150 MPH all the time.

 

I highly disagree with spoilers help, IF it helped aerodynamics honda would have done it because it would have further improved the fuel economy of its high milage models or any for that matter. Think about it less drag less power needed to move the car = better fuel economy. FEW, VERY FEW ad on winds or body kits do anything to help areodynamics. nearly all are cosmetic. hardly any have been wind tunnel tested. Like Honda has with its bodies. Most modles have BETTER aerodynamics without the spoilers than the ones that do.


[Modified by virginia_dude, 9:42 PM 1/23/2003]

 

check this out, as well as an underbody tray, fender vents, flaps in front of the wheels. nd diffuser.
stan

 

you dont get more aerodynamic by throwing obstructions into the path of air. your coefficient of drag will increase NO MATTER WHAT over stock. its 2 more surfaces of **** air has to hit creating drag and friction.

wings and spoilers are for downforce and or the sporty look. and thats all. look at the enzo, they did away with the wings b/c of drag. they have a very very small rear lip which creates all the downforce needed to keep that car going straight at 200+mph
keep in mind the enzo is rwd.
if you need more traction, get a difuser for the front. you haveno use for a wing/spoiler unless your car can do 140mph9% of your hondas cant.


i want to have someone try to say body kits make you more aerodynamic now.
all hondas bodies since day 1 have been tested in wind tunnels. the best aerodynamics you can get is STOCK. fyi the front difuser screws up your aerodynamicness but inturn makes for more down force over the front end of your car


[Modified by TorteX, 9:15 PM 1/23/2003]

 

so you not creating more drag or friction... go back to physics 101 and then explain why limosines are so god aweful fast

 

that was a misstyped "and diffuser"
and it is located in the back, diffusing the air from under the car. not in the front, my friend.
the front one is a splitter.
search for audi TT problems and how they fixed it.
introducing planes into an airfoil redirects it. and most spoilers do that. drag is a by product. spoiler is by no means there for downforce. i think that is what you are confusing it with.
aerodynamics work at even 30MPH.
stan

 

by extending the smooth surface you will creat drag, no matter what, unless you were to somehow design a car/some add on part shaped like a tear drop, but that would most likely not give you the downforce you'd want and not to mention look really funky

 

1-800-831-1117 call there tell bmw their M3GT doesnt have a front diffuser (thanks for spelling, everyone knows i suck at spelling). then make a reply on how hard they laughed.

however, i agree completely. aerodynamics work greatly at any speed... if your not dystroying them to begin with.

i still dont get the idea of adding **** to your car which increases its weight and screws up the natural air flow makes you faster.

either or. i hope you dont bitch when your getting blown past at the track.

 

actually, some front lips/diffusers actually help aerodynamics...but we're talking about porsche, ferrari, lambos...where alot of money have been invested into r&d...

The most aerodynamic shape is a teardrop shape..blunt end first...

If any spoiler/wing/lip is added and help it happens to help aerodynamics it's because they are directing airflow over/through/past a part of the car which is not aerodynamically ideal...

 

He's right.

Have you ever seen an Audi TT WITHOUT a rear spoiler... perhaps but do you know why Audi recalled them and put the spoilers on them? BECAUSE OF DRAG AND LIFT! Audi found that at HIGH speeds the TT would tend to become VERY unsteady and even want to lift from the ground. Therefore they introduced the rear spoiler that altered the air flow changing over effects for the BETTER.

Sorry Tortex, SOME (not many) but some spoiler do increase aerodynamics even if they DO increase drag.
This is a functionable spoiler for the crx:



If you increase drag you reduce top speed and visa versa... BUT if by not having the appropriate amount of downforce and reduction of lift that speed ain't gonna do you too much good when your back end leaves the ground!

Like the picture above... by increasing the length of the back end you decrease drag.. that is why a tear drop is most aerodynamically sound, because the back end decreases easily NOT suddenly.

 

[sigh]

alright folks, some of you kinda get it, some of you are just stuck in your rice bowl. this "mugen" wing or what I've heard more appropriately called a "cusp", which is most likely a WW copy (i've only seen one original mugen, ive got the WW copy), but still just as functional at reducing drag, THATS IT. its not made to increase downforce or reduce lift (which is the same thing). its arguable some other aftermarket "wings" are effective at increasing net downforce and yes its true downforce usually means more drag, but this piece isnt even designed for downforce. and its not quite the same in function as audi TT or VW bug spoilers, although they are effective in their own right.

how it really works is by increasing the distance of the top boundary layer separation, as some have pointed out. but what this does is create a volume of lower pressure right UNDER that "cusp". that volume of low pressure will pull flowing air just past the cusp more downward causing the flow to dip down at a steeper angle and rejoin with the flow of air underneath sooner, thus cause the cross sectional area of the wake to be smaller, ultimately less drag. reduce the volume of the wake, you reduce the amount of drag.

on the counterpart, most real wings do create more turbulent air behind the wings in the effort to create net downforce.

 

They introduced the Audi TT spoiler to increase downforce, not to improve air flow...

<<...SOME (not many) but some spoiler do increase aerodynamics even if they DO increase drag...>>

-this is contradictory, more drag = worse aerodynamics