A friend recently told me that in 1997 Car and Driver said that the Prelude was the best handling car under $30k. I am wondering, how do the two cars compare? Any explanations as to why one is better then the other in certain areas? Not lookin to flame him, he's a friend, just want to learn something.

Jon

 

The Type R outhandles the Prelude and Prelude Type SH in every respect. It weighs less, has a better suspension, and LSD (the SH's ATTS is not as effective as the R's helical LSD). This has all been covered many times before...

 

the itr definitely has the balance and weight advantage.

http://12.239.16.150/reviewArticles/...images/pg1.jpg
http://12.239.16.150/reviewArticles/...images/pg2.jpg

 

Thanks for the great article!

Jon

 

C&D did declare the Prelude the best handling car under 30k, however they did not include the R in their comparison.

Having owned both, I will say the R far outclasses the Prelude. It has much quicker reflexes, more ultimate grip, and better balance all-around. That said, the Prelude is far from a slacker....the Prelude handles great..but it does not handle as well as the R in any aspect.


[Modified by Jetydosa, 7:31 PM 1/19/2003]

 

Yeah i had a lude b4 too and the R easily out handles it, the lude was a good handling car, but the R is a great handling car


[Modified by 2001TypeR, 6:44 AM 1/20/2003]

 

 

true

ITR is just basically a better car IMO:

-ITR
-Rare. not like ludes.
-Lighter
-Better tanny(maybe)
-Better suspension
-Handles better
-Accrelates faster
-8400 redline screaming

-Lude
-Not as fast a R
-Heaver
-SUV like handling (as my friend told me)
He has a turbo'd lude and we were driving over 200 km on highway and he couldnt even come close to me when there's turn
-More room for passengers specially back seats.

and so on.

 

I have also owned both. It's hard for me to compare my R since I only put about 1.5k on worn tiressince I've owned it. The prelude feels more like a domestic V8 w/ it's long noise. It is more of a compromise between comfort and performance. The suspension is much softer. I would bet RE10's would have helped the lude in the salmon times. RE92's were terrible

 

The R actually has a bigger back seat and more interior room.

 

This is true. The lude has no space for your feet in the back.

 

I had a Prelude SH before my R. The R is faster at ALL RPM's and handles infinitely better. I even put good tires on the Lewd, but the weight of that car is just too high for it to transition like an R. The SH turned in better than the R, I think because of the ATTS (it kicks in as soon as you turn the wheel, unlike a mech. LSD that responds to the loss of the inside wheel's traction AFTER the fact), but once the R's LSD kicks in, goodbye SH.

Mike D.

 

No.

 

CMP
H2
Pos Qual Num Driver Machine Fast Lap
1 2 20 Corey Jacobs 93 Prelude VTEC 1:54.440
2 3 06 Alex Ratcliffe 96 Integra GSR (Grand-Am Spec) 1:54.776
3 4 71 Warren **** 97 Integra Type-R 1:59.008
4 1 28 Jon Starnes 98 Integra Type-R 1:57.420

VIR
H2
Pos Qual Num Driver Machine Fast Lap
1 1 06 Alex Ratcliffe 95 Integra GSR (Grand-Am Spec) 1:44.754
2 2 20 Corey Jacobs 93 Prelude VTEC 1:44.942
3 3 32 Jason Franza 00 Integra Type-R 1:46.049
4 5 77 Robert Williams 01 Integra Type-R 1:47.320
5 4 59 James Delfino 98 Integra Type-R 1:47.491

VIR, AGAIN
H2
Pos Qual Num Driver Machine Fast Lap
1 2 20 Corey Jacobs 93 Prelude VTEC 1:45.400
2 3 06 Alex Ratcliffe 96 Integra GSR (Grand-Am Spec) 1:44.821
3 4 32 Jason Franza 00 Integra Type-R 1:47.184
4 5 77 Robert Williams 01 Integra Type-R 1:48.672
5 6 59 James Delfino 98 Integra Type-R 1:47.902
6 7 23 Keith Ruppel 00 Integra Type-R 1:50.177
DNS 1 45 Adam Curpier 00 Integra Type-R -:--.---

LMS
H2
Pos Qual Num Driver Machine Fast Lap
1 DNS 20 Corey Jacobs 93 Prelude VTEC 1:26.722
2 2 32 Jason Franza 00 Integra Type-R 1:26.604
3 1 28 Jon Starnes 98 Integra Type-R 1:26.906
4 3 77 Robert Williams 01 Integra Type-R 1:28.832
DNS DNS 71 Warren **** 97 Integra Type-R -:--.---

LMS, AGAIN
H2
Pos Qual Num Driver Machine Fast Lap
1 2 20 Corey Jacobs 93 Prelude VTEC 1:26.619
2 3 28 Jon Starnes 98 Integra Type-R 1:27.450
3 5 77 Robert Williams 01 Integra Type-R 1:28.336
4 1 71 Warren **** 97 Integra Type-R 1:26.692
DQ 4 32 Jason Franza 00 Intgera Type-R 1:28.964

CMP, AGAIN
H2
Pos Qual Num Driver Machine Fast Lap
1 1 20 Corey Jacobs 93 Prelude VTEC 1:53.905
2 3 06 Alex Ratcliffe 95 Integra GSR (Grand-Am Spec) 1:54.286
3 4 71 Warren **** 97 Integra Type-R 1:54.645
4 5 32 Jason Franza 00 Integra Type-R 1:55.527
5 6 77 Robert Williams 01 Integra Type-R 1:58.014
6 2 28 Jon Starnes 98 Integra Type-R 1:56.000
DNS DNS 45 Adam Curpier 00 Integra Type-R -:--.---

 

Wanna race?

 

id like to see ONE prelude owner who would drive that tank around daily LOL

 

I guess i should find a seat for it... It doesn't get "daily" driven, but it has been know to go down the backroads to bed in brakes and annoy neighbors

 

WOW!! the lewd wins but wait.... behind the "ONE" lewd is....FIVE R's!!!

 

losers #1-5

 

Those SRV lude's are crazy....... newer gen models are heavy.

 

For someone that has twice the experience, Hoosiers, and more power, you sure talk a lot of crap...for a little guy

Jason-
who, all joking aside, is looking forward to some good racing in April

 

I have both a 99 Prelude SH (winter car) and a 00 ITR (summer car). The Prelude has a firmer, quicker response than the ITR. But in no way is it a predictable and contollable as the ITR. The SH will hold it's own against pretty much any thing else out there in it's price class.

 

I'm not sure he was asking about a race-prepped Gen4 'lude

my mom has a Gen5, it constantly amuses me how small the damn thing is inside...no way i could fit with a helmet on.

And for the record, the Type SH has a LSD, a rather crazy one at that (Active Torque Transfer System) but the little unit weighs a TON.

EDIT: Zyg educates me that the ATTS is not technically a LSD, though it has some similar aspects of operation. me!


[Modified by Aleph, 12:17 PM 1/20/2003]

 

Wait 1 sec ...

VIR Qualifying - August 3

1 - 45 Adam Curpier - 00 Integra Type-R - 1:45.627
2 - 20 Corey Jacobs - 93 Prelude VTEC - 1:46.000
3 - 6 Alex Ratcliffe - 95 Integra GSR (Grand-Am Spec) - 1:46.269

AND

Summit Point Race # 4 results

1 2 45 Adam Curpier 00 Integra Type-R 1:29.029
2 1 20 Corey Jacobs 93 Prelude VTEC 1:29.048
3 3 77 Robert Williams 01 Integra Type-R 1:32.148
DNS DQ 71 Warren **** 97 Integra Type-R -:--.---
DNS DNS 06 Alex Ratcliffe 95 Integra GSR (Grand-Am Spec) -:--.---



Also, a video for everyone:

http://www.curpiercompany.com/h2race.mov

(Quicktime format - 18mb)

As you can see the cars are very evenly matched ... When I was attempting the pass .... Corey's axle broke ... who knows what would of happened if we raced to the end

-Can't wait for next season



[Modified by AdamITR, 12:24 PM 1/20/2003]

 

I would just like to remind all u itr owners that your cars are prepped up for the track when coming out the showroom. Its good tires on it, 25% stiffer suspension, with a slight drop(correct me it wrong on this one), front upper/lower/rear lower bars. Maybe a couple other thing i forgot. But the ludes doesn't have none of those thing. I agree it does weight alot more, but for a car that weight 400 pounds more, it holds its ground.

Also the 4th and 5th gen ludes wieght almost the same. So i don't know why u are saying that Corey cars is crazy. Coreys car is just prepped up for track, not the streets.


[Modified by SpdFrk, 6:48 PM 1/20/2003]