I was chatting with my buddy last night and we were debating how the new STi is going to perform on a road course as compare to an ITR, on the straight obviously there will be no comparsion, but we just wonder if there would be any slight edge the ITR will have over the STi? Cornering? Braking? seems to me ITR will be eaten all over the places on the road course. Obviously it always comes down to the driver but given equal drivers. What do you guys think?

CS

Edit: btw, stock ITR vs stock STi...


[Modified by CS, 3:05 PM 1/17/2003]

 

It really depends on what kind of setup the USDM STi gets. JDM one kicked DC2-R's ***.

 

with the #'s and features they say the US STi will be comming with... One might "think" the STi would do better, just not sure how much better.

We all shall see for ourselves in the next few months once the STi arrives.

 

I think this is hte USDM STi spec.

http://impreza.subaru.com/microsites...ee_impreza.jsp

 

It really must come down to driver, because with the WRX's shortcomings..brake (ABS) and weight.... I haven't seen a stock WRX follow a stock ITR at all. Then again, this Canada.

 

our beloved ITRs will be owned, royally and completely.

 

no hard feeling at all, I knew ITR will be beaten someday with newer technology.

But stock for stock, on a road course, same driver, how would a WRX gives the ITR hells? I mean be a little more specific would help. I don't have data to back this up but in terms of, from my expereince (briefly)

1) Acceleration, WRX might have a bit advantage over the ITR (debatable)
2) Braking, I have yet got outbrake by a stock WRX and I strongly believe a WRX can do so as well.

CS

 

I dont think the stock WRX would hand the ITR its *** on a road course. Im not all that impressed with a stock scooby. they die on the top end IMO. just my 2 cent y0!

 

I'm glad cars keep getting faster, but at the same time, I wish the ITR would stay the kind of the mountain forever. Oh well...

 

no...just a figure of speech I guess. Like when someone royally gets their *** kicked. and Im not Canadian.

 

I think the STI will take the ITR but there wont be another FWD car that will be able to in awhile

 

Unless a WRX is boosted more, the stock WRX isn't any faster than a stock ITR.

So George, I don't see how a stock WRX could have pulled on you.

 

much easier to make WRX or STI go faster.......Turn boost up!
Little bit harder to make the ITR go faster N/A........

In all seriousness, I don't believe that these cars should even be put against eachother........N/A vs. Turbo, AWD vs. FD, Four door vs. 2 door, Engine size vs. Engine type, Price vs. Performance. ex.

Just .02$

 

especially on the top end...I was disappointed when I drove my friends Rex. 1st and second gear were fun, you could feel the boost spooling up nicely...3rd gear the boost just seems to die on the top end and 4th and 5th gear were disappointing and hardly pulled. However, Im sure the STi is A LOT different and the ITR has no chance whatsoever

 

that's my feeling too, I've tested once with one of my friend's WRX, on a fairly long straight, (up to end of 3rd), I found WRX would (if any) pulled slightly but I am pretty sure in high RPM, itr would be catching up to a WRX.

 

Newer technology?

Just what new technological ground does the STi break? AWD and turbochargers have been around for quite a while. Don't mean to be a dick, but I really hate when people throw the word "technology" around when discussing cars. It's one thing to have a conversation on specific technical innovations, but just because a car is newer doesn't mean that there's been some techological breaktrough. Indeed, the technology of cars really hasn't changed all that much in the last 12 years.

Now, to address the original topic, I think the ITR will in many aspects be outclassed entirely by the STi. Not surprising given the difference in cost. However, the R has always impressed me as being better than it should be (witness the ***-kicking RTR's cars consistantly handed to BMWs that, on paper, should have been much faster, this despite the ITR being the closest cars to stock in the entire series and being loaded down with ballast). I would not be surprised to find that the R is more satisfying to drive, as the ITR's most endearing trait is its near-telepathic connection with whomever is holding the steering wheel.

We shall see.

 

I agree. But then we always want to compare (compete) with something that is better (depends how you see "better") than what we have, right? =P

CS

 

As usual, MK has some good stuff to share!

I also do not see what is new 'technologically' with the STi. There's no crazy Yaw Control or 3 fully electronic, adjustable differentials or anything like that. Just AWD and a 2.5 Boxer Turbo. Woop-de-doo.

Considering the STi's price (or price range) it should outclass the ITR. But we'll see, who really knows.

I know I'll be there to test drive one (I hope my 'friend' lets me take one for a spin at the local dealer...) as soon as they arrive.

 

my thoughts:



versus



rob- who would drive an STi to We-Todd meets and get very very drunk.

 

agreed.

 

the driver adjustable center diff is pretty trick if you ask me....

 

relax... I said technology in general. Not specific to STi. the newer generation is always (at least it's suppose to be) better/faster the previous generation. Some may aruge otherwise but DC5R > DC2R. That's just an example. Technology does come into play regardless how small the changes is.

just my $.02

CS

 

Rob=

Give your self a cause your on the same page.......

 

 

Like I said, I wan't trying to be a dick.

I just wanted to point out that the technology of cars these days is not changing much. Becoming more refined, yes, but not changing. The exceptions are few, but very interesting.

I think the last significant change in automotive technology was the development of engine management computers, which happened before most of us here were driving.

Sorry to hijack your thread. I'll cut it out now.