I am going to buy Koni yellows and H&R Race springs which should be a 2 inch drop all around. Will i need a camber kit for this? I am using the standard 15 inch LS rims. Someone told me that my camber would be off but in a good way... is he right? I was told by some people that on the back you can use washers to create a gap between the arm and the car and that will correct the camber.. any experience in this? What is a good camber kit for the front and rear?

 

I've read that a drop lower than 1.5" will require a camber kit.

 

camber kits are always good if lowered car, i would recommend it if you drop you car at any inches, but you will need to get it realign.

here is a site to installation on the back camber.... at your own risk

http://home.earthlink.net/~civicex95/rearcamber.html

 

i have a 2.25" drop in the front...2" in the rear. when i got the specs before the camber kit was installed, the front was horrible...the rear was actually in factory spec. get the front one, u will need it. get the specs for the rear when you get the front kit installed, and see if you need it. (u probably will not).

 

does anyone here know which camber kit would be right for this drop? would the ingalls +1.25° to 3° surfice? Is this cheap one that much worse then this more expensive one?

 

I have about a 2" drop all around w/ H&R Sport springs and Koni shocks, and no camber kit needed. After 25K miles my tires are still even.

 

ok.. i am confused.. you said you dropped it 2 inch's with no camber problems? Everyone i have talked to said they needed camber kits with their drop ranging from 1.75-2+ inches but they were not using the H&R and Koni setup which you are using and which i am going to use. Is there something different with this setup that makes it less prone to needing a camber kit or is it just a toss of the dice. My only reason for asking so many questions is if i need the kit i would like to do it all at once and install the kit with the koni's and H&R's but if i dont need it i dont want to waste the money and the time saving the money.

 

well I do have between -2 and -2.4 deg. camber on all 4 wheels. That may seem like it would necessitate camber correction, but after getting an alignment with the toe set to exactly zero and rotating my tires every 3K-5K miles, I haven't had any tire wear problems at all after 25K miles. It's all about the alignment. Bad toe-in will wear out tires unevenly much faster than negative camber, so keep that toe in check.

 

reguardless of the drop you want to look into a camber kit, as well as an alignment. even -2 degrees which is pretty aggressive will facilitate premature tire wear. especially when cornering. although with negative camber wear turn in rate is enhanced, the inside of whatever tire rotates through on the inside of that turn is essentially being dragged through that turn. and when you are running a softer compound tire the life span is reduced considerably. not to mention the majority of the weight is on those front two tires, allowing you to conrer hard and see major tread wear in the front but almost none in the back. now when i comes to camber kits i have the ingalls kit which has worked great for me. it allowed me to correct a 2" drop to both -.08 and -.06 in the front, which is better than factory spec. when it comes down to it, when you lower your car you will see accelerated tire wear so you need to get a camber correction kit and an alignment. why waste more money on tires when you can put it towards something power oriented. and actually get a kit, since they have been tested on cars, dont be cheap and dont use washers as spacers for camber correction. plus they cant adjust camber while aligning your car with washers. hope all this helps.

 

i'd say get a camber kit. i'm lowered on neuspeed race and i had up to -2.4 in front and -1.8 in the rear. the rear is ok cuz it's within factory spec, but i would still recommend the kit cuz it will eat up the inside of ur tires. when i took my rims off my car there was slight wear towards the inside. btw how low is the drop on neuspeed race? i believe neuspeed says it's 2" but i think it's 2.5" i got my springs used and i believe they may be as old as my car (94).

 

I'd get a camber kit too, if you have alot of negative camber you can risk getting your rims bent. The weight of your car will be leaning on only one side of your rims instead of it evenly being distributed( yes I know we have negative camber stock). If you hit a realatively hard bump you could bend the inside part of your rim. Possibly leading to worst handling... Just a thought

 

the amount of camber you'll get from that drop is fine, unless you're looking to get 50k miles out of your tires or something. get it aligned to zero toe and you'll be ok. just remember that the more negative camber you have, the more toe will make a difference with respect to tire wear.

 

Why are you saying your camber specs are better than factory? Your car now handles worse than it would w/ factory camber specs, so I don't see that as better than factory. Straight up 0 camber is BAD for handling, and will make the car understeer quite a bit more.

I currently have 40K miles on my tires, 25K of that while running more than -2 deg. camber. Since the tire wear is even all the way across, I'm pretty sure they aren't wearing down any faster than they would if the car was not lowered.

IMHO camber kits are overrated if you haven't lowered your car below a functional height (i.e. slizzammed y0), unless you need adjustability for racing purposes.

 

hey "yO", im not "slizzzamed" but just because you are close to zero camber doesnt mean it handles worse. how can you tell me my car handles worse when you dont know what my suspension setup is like. do you know what compound tires im running?! what are my spring and strut rates?! so "homeee", why dont you look into some suspension setups and read before you run your mouth. try to make more educated comments, "pleaszzzz!!!" also when i get 10-15K more miles on my tires, ill be happy i kept my 350 or more dollars in my pocket. so to make my point clear dont listen to PatrickGSR94 since he obviously doesnt do any research before he goes off telling everyone how to setup their car, w/out knowing what their suspension setup is like or what they are looking for. but please if you feel like wasting money and going about things the wrong way take what he says to heart.

 

no you dont need a camber kit, the way you align a car is by loosing the strut bolts and moving moving the tireup or down. youn dont need a camber kit.

 

Actually that is not how Hondas are aligned. There are no camber adjustments from the factory, and you adjust toe by turning the tie rods in front and by moving the trailing arms in back.

And Mr. Jspd, I was referring to your handling being worse with 0 camber than it would be with your same suspension setup and 1 to 2 deg. negative camber. Any car will handle better w/ a little negative camber than with 0 camber. Believe me I have done PLENTY of research over the years on MANY suspension setups.


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