just wondering.

 

This has been covered many times, did you try searching first.

 

no because it does not pass as a LEV vehicle, honda of america only releases LEV vehicles.
the only reason the ITR was released over here was because of the fact that it took so long for the next generation to come out, and acura wanted too keep the integra sales up.

 

the US market gets a craptastic DC5R nock off which includes such things as suspension bits and a body kit.. all at $5K+ premium. 28K for a 200 BHP RSX-S? WOW!

 

i work at the dealer in sr,ca they say 2004 but the tsx is coming in april
its like a 4door rsx

 

Well considering all the concepts at the shows have been Ep's I seriously doubt it, that is unless honda throws us the biggest curve ball ever....

 

Well don't count on it anytime soon bro. The local dealerships have been asking me when I was going to trade my S in for a R. They told me the car would be here jan 5.. oh wait.. it's the 15th today.. Guess they were wrong. This won't be the first time they have been mis-lead on the matter.

This matter had been covered many, many, many, many, many times and no results have been seen.

If anything we won't even hear about a release till 2oo6.Good luck guys.

 

negative

 

The TSX is the European Honda Accord, looks nice

 

odd, thought they did it to make it a production class car so that the racing division @ acura (realtime) could use it...

 

Funny you should mention that, I clearly remember many R fans towards the end of it's run in 2001 saying how fast the R sold. Truth was that my dealership ordered mine so it wasn't just sitting around collecting dust till a buyer would arrive. I also clearly remember seeing more than 7 or 8 for sale between local dealerships in my area and in local papers and the pennysaver when it was time to get rid of them... These ads ran for weeks at a time and the stock just would not go down.

When I got my second one, my dealership only took 10 minutes to find one for me that was available.

I spoke to my sales manager briefly and he mentioned that the ITR sales just weren't as strong for the 01 model year as was the 97 and 98.

Not that they didn't sell the cars imported but that the novelty might just have worn off and people were already sitting in one form of a Gen 3 teg or another and waiting for something new from Acura or were going to jump ship to a different brand for whatever reason. Remember those attractive lease rates for the base model Tegs a few years past? I'd expect those directly related to Honda attempting to boost sales and try to make as much from each Gen3 as possible. Remember that after the lease is up and they make the depreciated difference, they would resell them for inflated prices and make even More...

Although the fan base is still strong for the R, (mainly owners) it is an overhyped car, (which we have discussed previously) and that overhype unfortunately has led to several negative points to owning one. The most of which would be theft rate.

The Gen3 had a great run and broke the Honda mold when it came to selling year after year without redesign. Which could be attributed to a couple of things. Either it was THAT far ahead of it's time and still that good, (I believe this to a point) Or that sales were strong enough to warrent continuing sales of the current model until the gen 4 was perfected.

Or we lead to George's valid point about the redesigned Civic and their consideration for introducing the completely redesigned Gen 4/RSX. From their point of view, their client base was changing and they were rolling with it and offering more of the total package of refinement instead of pure or mostly performance and dollar value.

What IF they cut the Gen3 back a few years or months even? Would the RSX have suffered the same sales losses and at the SAME time as the New Civic was introduced with slumping sales? That would have been a big bucks gamble that I'm sure they would not have wanted to lose.

I'm not that deep into Hondas marketing but, one thing is for certain the Gen3 teg sold loads of cars,,, very few of those in comparison were Type-R's. The Gen 3 wasn't where Acura was headed (more luxurious and refined, less raw and pure performance) so it would eventually go and why not go out with a Bang with a few more available years worth of ITR's? If it wasn't for those last few years,,,, I'd most likely be driving a WRX.

Let's also be honest that ALL of the Gen3's were NOT the smoothe refined cars that Acura desires to market. All of them were rather loud and rougher around the edges than the evolving image required Especially the R. The ITR alone is a very specific car for specific types of people,,, not for everyone... Hell, my wife just doesn't like riding in it and can't stand driving it.

Personally? No, I don't think that the RSX-R will make it, and if it does, Not nearly as potent as the JDM model... I'd expect something more similar to the OZ version, just sported up a bit more and with the badging... But, not nearly as easy to mod as was the USDM Gen3 as to it's JDM counterpart.

I'm happy with mine but, ya know what? I'm definately happy that I have more than a few cars to drive around, because although some purists may disagree, Sometimes I just don't care for all the noise and the shifting and abrupt jolting ride... I like highway crusiers like our Altima for longer trips where you can stretch out and flip on the cruise and do 75MPH and NOT hear all the wind and rattling and whirring.... Oh and I drove from CT to Miami and back in my R so I know what long road trips in it are like...

I'd expect the RSX-S to be quite a bit more comfortable and enjoyable on a longer road trip.

And thats just what a lot of fat lazy Americans desire.


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I believe that the Type R will not come to North America. I've waited and researched and thought for awhile and I don't think the Type R won't come to North America because Honda does not see a large enough market. The Type R will not have comfort features, fairly loud on inside (to reduce weight), and it runs on 11.?:1 compression which our poor gas (octane wise) in North America don't have. We get 91-92 octane in North America and in Japan their premium is 100-102 octane. That is what the Type R in Japan runs on, 100-102 octane fuel.

 

I think the Japanese use the RON scale for octane which is different to North America
which I think uses MON and/or PON?

As an example, RON100 equals MON91.5 and PON95.8 (PON is average of MON +RON)

Also, the DC5R is meant to run fine on 98RON.

 

Celica GTS has 11.5:1 compression....no problems here.

91-93 octane here is comparble to 100-102 in Japan...this will not be a decisive factor in whether we get the DC5R. Personally, I think we will....but not until MY 04 or 05.

 

i dont think its coming... as much as i want it to it doesnt seem logical for honda/acura of america to release it here... with the acura line, the Type S models are suppose to be the performance oriented line... i think its being phased out like how the integra name was phased out since acura wanted all letter based names... adding a Type R to the mix would have Honda/Acura compete with its own performance line... however hopefully they do bring it over as a limited edition model or something...

 

hell i'd rather have the new TSX , and drop a JDM K20a in it ....wanna know why ....this is why




thats right , double wishbone suspension ..

 

Nope , It won't be coming here for a while if it comes at all

 

Whether the DC5R comes or not will be purely a matter of marketing. Nothing else.

Don't believe for a second that the JDM K20A won't run on our fuel, or that it won't qualify as an LEV. The S2000 runs just fine on our fuel with its 11.5:1 CR, and still meets LEV standards while making 20 more peak hp with arguably less advanced techology (no VTC, which, as used currently in the factory-tuned K20A2, is as much for reducing emissions as it is for bolstering torque).

Keep in mind that a USDM K20A2 with an intake and the Hondata ECU flash makes very near the same power as a JDM K20A with no adverse effect on emissions.

 

the performance upgrade rsx-s is not worht it, put down 2 more g's and get a nice s2k...

 

I dont want to be greedy but i hope it doesnt come over here. In my opinion i would rather see the Type R keep its cult like folowing over here. Plus i am afraid they would bring us a really watered down version like that special edition package RSX they have and just put the Type R badge on it. Also I really dont like the sound of a RSX Type R. It just doesnt seem right to me. JMO

 

Proof ?????? more horsepower usually = more emissions. Do you have any smog tests ?

 

More power most certainly does not equal more emissions.

An engine will make the most power when it is running efficeintly, which is also when it burns pretty damn clean. One of my friends is a Hondata dealer, as well as an Acura technition. He's smogged an RSX-S with the ECU flash and it passed without problem.

Do I have proof right here? No. The proof will come as more Hondata-flashed RSXs go through inspection.

 

i have read an article that was comparing all the so called pocket rockets. Including the Si, GTI, focus svt spec v etc etc and when they did the write up on the Si thye said they type r would be coming stateside next yr. i will have to review it to see if they meant the itr or the ctr but i will get the article. Dont know how much truth there is to that but......

 

which article ....what magazine ....?

 

That article that compared the pocket rockets was in SCC about 3 months ago...they did a "Best Car Under 20k" thing, which the Dodge SRT-4 won...I don't recall them mentioning a CTR or an ITR coming to the states, but I could be wrong...