ok well as u know i have a 90 honda civic hb std..yeah the one with only 60 hp...whohoo...and i have decided i dont care what the car looks like on the outside i want some 'go'. so i was wondering what r u guys recommendations on engines...i know i dont have alot of money so im looking for best bang for the buck . i dont know if i should just go to a junk yard and rip a 92-95 civic motor out and wire that in or if i should go witha zc...i do know i want to stay d-series. thanks alot for your time and your opinions.

_rich

 

whats your budget?

 

um not too mcuh ...but im saving at the moment.

 

D16A6 non vtec with a cam, ported head and lightweight flywheel. then a 50 shot.

 

rich, you will be such a fly white guy when you do your swap,,,no more physcological abuse by your fellow car buddies, you will no longer be slow rich, but fast rich,,, im excited already,.....go with a jaguar 12cylinder motor, that'll fit right?,, better consult a jag. dealer,,,if that dosent work i think you should do a zc swap, wayyyy cheaper than b16 power, but will still give your car alot of go....oh yea, and kims mad at asley, they arent friends now.....later buddy.

p.s. ive had a few tonight....

 

no nos for me...keepin it all motor

yeah i know im always invoved in the "fastest car discussions...cuz they all compare there fast cars to my slow one


p.s yeah steve i think u have had a few too many 's





[Modified by rsk436, 9:20 PM 12/30/2002]

 

mpfi swap, i have a intake manifold from a z6, and a tbody off of a 92-93 b18a...thats a start...

 

buy a d16a6 and something like a stage 1 or 2 cam thats about 500-600 right there

 

There's your best bang for the buck right there, and with people doing B-series swaps left and right, it's usually pretty easy to find a great deal on a complete D16A6 and Si tranny. If you have the time and know-how, you can do like I'm doing.... MPFI swap for a little more power right now, (did I say a little? feels like double!!) then start taking your time re-building the A6 and Si trans. When I'm done I may not be the fastest guy on the block, but I won't be left in the weeds. Plus, my drive train will be all brand new, very reliable (as long as I don't screw anything up) And I'll have the pride of knowing that I built that entire engine and transmission from the ground up.

 

so u have the mpfi swap done? how hard was the install and what all do i need

 

Cut and splice from a previous post I did on the subject:

parts needed:
I recomend getting all of these parts from an 88-91 civic EX or Si, or CRX Si (I've been told that the CRX Intake manifold doesn't flow as well, never saw proof though) There are some other options, but for simplicity, it's best to get it all from one of these. also, If you have a manual trans, get the parts from a manual trans donor car (and auto for auto) I got my parts off of Ebay, a couple of broken sensors and bad parts cost me in the long run.

1. Intake manifold with Injectors, Throtle body, and all sensors intact (Any D-series MPFI intake mani. will work, I'm told the D16Y8 has the best airflow, but the Injectors have to be 88-91)
2. Injector resistor box
3. ECU
4. Distributor (the EX/Si dizzy has an extra sensor in it that you will need)
5. engine wire harness (you'll need to steal some plugs off of this)
6. New intake manifold gasket (if the TB or any sensor gets removed, it will need a new gasket as well)
7. New Injector seals (If the new intake mani has been sitting for a period of time, the old seals will probably be dried out and leak)
8. New Cap and rotor (if you recently replaced yours, the cap, rotor, coil, and Ignitor from your old distributor will all fit the new one)

The swap is easy to do, an experianced mechanic could knock it out in less than a day. Be prepared to have your car down for a week just in case there's some bugs to work out though. You never know when you're using used parts, don't get stranded!!

The mechanical stuff is pretty basic, especially if you have a Helms manual. (I did it with a Haynes manual because I'm too cheap to buy a Helms) The only thing I can say is make sure everything is clean and seals properly. When I did the swap on my car, The bracket that holds the back of the manifold up was bent, it was pushing up on the back of the mani and it wasn't allowing the gasket to seal properly. I also had problems with my injector seals leaking and the distributor had a bad ignitor.

The part where most people struggle is the wiring, your current setup only has wires for 2 injectors, you'll need to run wires for 2 more. Also, you need to run wires for that new sensor in the distributor I mentioned above. the best write up I've seen on this is:
http://hybrid2.honda-perf.org/tech/4gdxtozc.html
When I did my swap, I did all of the wiring with NO splices under the hood. Everything looks completely factory. I Just wish I took pictures of the process.

 

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ok now can u come to ny and do it for me

 

u pay me good enough cash and ill drive over and do it for ya ....

 

uh ....jw how mcuh is good enough? cuz i might eventually take u up on that....how long would it take

EDIT: 689.29 miles
Total Estimated Time: 11 hours, 27 minutes


[Modified by rsk436, 10:54 PM 12/30/2002]

 

k lets see..
it will take me about 10hrs to get there.....
the MPFI swap takes me about 2-3 hrs.. make it 4 with taco bell stops..
another drive back 10 mroe hrs...
i can ask 3 days off at work...
now what price i am going to say for this to be worthed??!?!?!?!?!........
good question..!

 

i'll trade you an almost complete turbo kit for that air cylinder kit we were talking about...
heh heh

 

haha whats 'almost complete"

 

i've got an HF manifold with a Saab T3 bolted on with custom adapter plate, 1G DSM side mount intercooler, DSM blow-off valve, hard oil lines with T3 fittings, misc. fittings and lines.

all that's needed to complete are the charge (intercooler) lines, and fuel management (safc).

everything's in great condition. i can provide pics as well...

 

Save for a B16.

 

No. Don't. Get a nice d16a6 and Si tranny. then i/h/e and a crane stage 2 cam. I love my cam and i have a complete camshaft install on my website to help you out. it definatly ownz

 

stay d-series, dont be a vtec *****.

 

the D series has many options.
Go with a cheap d16a6 swap with Si trans. we have several cams that are available for that motor depending on what you want out of yout engine.

contact me through email and i'll be glad to guide you to the most efficient d16a6 setup-budget too.

a lot of people ask me how we can get the d series to run so well. I say its alot in the cam we use but its also in the Intake, header and Exhaust choices that you make. sounds too simple? well it can be, but if you buy the wrong exhaust, your'e just wasting your money.
we had a customer who just the I/H/E and installed our cam. it picked up so well he said but i knew it wasnt to its optimum. so i said, before you do anything, redo your exhaust piping to the specs we recommended. while an exhaust is so simple to do, what he did was had a regular crush bend piping done to a 2 1/4 inch piping.
I told him to change it to a mandrel welded piping and it made much better difference throughout the powerband.

wil

 

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good choice... sounds a lot like my setup... cept i have the underdrive pulley, light weight flywheel, clutch and a few other lil things... and its pretty quick let me tell ya

 

ok well i just found out last night that my friend with a 90 ls is swapping his motor...now i know im gonna need mounts and stuff to run the bseries...he said he would give me almost everything for like 3-4 hundred....thats a good price right? 120k