i am going to get the sheets scanned but when i had the kit hooked up the way greddy says to i put 113.6 Max hp and 108.7 tq. i dont have the sheet when right after we disconected the box but it went up to 132 hp and i don't know about tq. but i ended up with 143.3 max power and 135.6 torque.. runs great i love it.. just thought i would share with you about the great blue box from greddy...

 

im confused..so u hooked up the greddy kit with the blue box and got a 113hp or so..but when u disconnected the blue box, u got a 143hp..but what did u use for fuel when u disconnected your blue box? or maybe i just read yor post wrong..

 

so if youre running w/o the bluebox, what are you using for fuel management??

 

113, damn!!! thats bad. That means I would of ran faster, ahaha. 113 is like stock almost.

 

Im sorry but just because you may or may not be getting more doesn't mean the blue box sucks. The blue box isn't designed to max power. It is designed to run rich / SAFE! What were your air/fuel ratios before and after? I love the blue box because it does exactly what its supposed to, my car runs nice, rich, and reliable. The blue box is what makes the greddy SOHC kit so great and seperates it from hacks and FMU crap.

 

Im sorry but just because you may or may not be getting more doesn't mean the blue box sucks. The blue box isn't designed to max power. It is designed to run rich / SAFE! What were your air/fuel ratios before and after? I love the blue box because it does exactly what its supposed to, my car runs nice, rich, and reliable. The blue box is what makes the greddy SOHC kit so great and seperates it from hacks and FMU crap.
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Don't just type stuff prove it, wait tell he posts up the paper, he has a personal experience with it and actual proff, did you try it without the box? I ran a 13.4 with the afc hack so don't talk bad about something you dont know.

 

greddy kit comes iwth the blue/black box and a fmu, and i was one of the people that tuned it up a little and his a/f's before the blue box was taken out were crazy rich (10.7 to be exact) all the way across the board and graph was super choppy lots of popping, so i told him i was going to pull the blue box b/c i was sure that it was one of his problems and sure enough it was, his plugs were also gapped at .44 so i brought them down to .32 and that helped as well. the a/f after the blue box was removed and everything was done was at a safe 11.7-11.9. he also has a msd btm box turned about .25/lb of boost and it works well for his setup.

 

Yea, I know... I was just making fun of it. The blue box makes my car get 10mpg and lost in power,

 

the greddy kit either comes with a black box and a FMU, or a blue box. not blue box and fmu. that would be crazy rich. the black box strictly prevents map sensor cel's, while the FMU takes care of fuel needs. the blue box (comes w/ newer kits) does both. you could never run blue box and a FMU. you cant just remove the blue box and expect your car to run in boost. you have to have something for fuel and map. either check valves or missing link or seomthing, plus a FMU (inline pump). if you run the blue box alone, i will have a hard time believing that it popping and not running correctly. i ran it for 8 months flawlessly.

 

hmmm .. here's mine with a STOCK 00 Si w/ "The Blue box"

 

Blue box on my EX = 146 whp 142lbs @ 5-6 psi with 12.0 a/f ratios to redline. Didn't suck for me at all.

 

Why the hell would he try it withou the box? That statement doesn't even make sense. "Why don't you blow up your engine?" is what you are basically saying. Running without anything would of course gain power, the fuel is lean. Is it safe? Absolutely not. BigD dynoed his car with the kit installed w/ cooler, BOV, and blue box. BAM! the a/f was dead-nuts horizon across 12.5. Why would he want to mess with that? I'm waiting for the paper. Should be informative...I hope to god he wasn't running an FMU and the blue box...or else I just wasted 30 seconds of my life here...

 

hahahah, i feel the same way. i cant wait to see the dyno sheets, hopefully they have an A/F graph as well. i was honestly happy with the blue box setup, at stock boost. i never got it dynoed, but i can guarantee it was higher than 113whp. anyways, like you said, the sheets should be interesting.
david

 

no a/f on the dyno chart, we still have the old school dynojet software at my shop we were just using a portable wideband. he was runing a fmu, missing link, and the blue box all at the same time, like i said before after i pulled the blue box we got the a/f to a 11.7-11.9 all the way across the board.
and he said he did not want max hp he just wanted the car to run fine unlike it was when he brought it in


[Modified by BoostedED9, 9:07 AM 12/11/2002]

 

Well then, that was the problem. Blue box runs the car rich, FMU makes it double rich, so you guys were just drowning the motor in fuel.

Try reinstalling the Bluebox and removing the FMU and see where that takes you.

 

Hope fully thats what mines look like.

 

Hopefully, that was at stock boost (5 psi) and stock motor and Stock exhaust and Cat. The only upgrade per say was a Walbro intank pump 255lph and I degree colder NGK plugs.

Hope it helps. I have Hondata stitting here, so after Xmas I will get her tunned @ 5 psi with Hondata, hopefully she won't be so rich and I can squeeze maybe 5 more HP, but ill go to the DYno and keep everyone posted.

- Fred

 

what psi are we talking about here?

 

Like VTC said. Reinstall the blue box and get rid of that FMU bullshit. How the hell did you get an FMU and the blue box on there, anyway?!?!!?

 

I'm scared of all this stuff you guys are talking about with the blue box running rich. All i plan on doing is getting the kit and a bov, run between 6-7 psi, and later on get an intercooler. How bad is my gas mileage gonna be when i get the kit?

 

The Greddy's Blue/Black boxes are mass produced / mass distributed. So what you have is an a system that is not tuned for any one persons specific car. Like he said, they set the boxes to operate for max safety, instead of max power. IF the boxes come from Greddy set to perform for max power, the box may be able to give one person max power but another person in a different location, diff temps, etc, may be operating outside the safety margin.


[Modified by BlueShadow, 3:09 AM 12/12/2002]

 

well said. personally though i like the afc hack. i made 165whp/140tq @ 6psi, stock cat with around a 12:1 a/f ratio across the board... this was with a little tuning from VaporTrail though but it was just 3 baseline runs and he leaned it out a tad for me. I want to actually do a full dyno tuning session to see how muh I can pull out of it.

 

Well with the AFC hack, there's really only so much you can do. You still can't do jack to the timing, only the fuem trim, and John already set it nice and level for you really, you're set. Next step is standalone if anything for you. *cough*buy my Hondata*cough*

 

[QUOTEWell with the AFC hack, there's really only so much you can do. You still can't do jack to the timing, only the fuem trim, and John already set it nice and level for you really, you're set. Next step is standalone if anything for you. *cough*buy my Hondata*cough* [/QUOTE]

don't temp me dave... i've been having a spurt of spontaneous spending (clutch, testpipe, mbc, and wheels ). I would def be interested but like maybe sometime early next year... that same spontaneous spending kinda left me dry hehe