I know it has been seen with the crowers before, but with the new Web Cams for B-Series, it looks to be an issue also. It broke at the #4 cylinder luckily. It looks as though the motor is going to be ok. DO NOT BUY THESE CAMS, they were not regrinds. Brian

 

Got any proof? Pics? You need more than hearsay to convince most people on this board. I've run a set of Web cams for the past 8 months with no trouble at all. Most likely the cams broke due to a boched install. B20/LS heads require only 8ft/lbs of torque on the cam caps. Most people just who use their 0-120 lbs torque wrench think thats ok........it's not. The people who were complaining about break Crower cams were using VTEC cams, not the non-VTEC cams. My money is on user install error.

 

did the car run for a while before it broke or did it break at the startup?? If it broke on startup I would say installer error.

 

People have broken TODA cams as well. It's usually do to a faulty install though...

 

Guess what, a HONDA cam broke!! Do NOT buy from honda!!!

 

Too many people installing stuff wrong. Just like anything, if its installed wrong, its gonna break. The real question is though, was it running fine for like 1000 or more miles then snapped or was it pretty instant. I know plenty of people running Web cams with no problems

 

Hi all,
I understand the need for proof and I will post pics. The motor has 2400+ miles on it since install. As for the torque spec, It was torqued to 16 ft lbs by the machine shop. I was not aware of too many ways to install a cam wrong. Also to clear it up, this is a B20 bottom end (10.5 compression JEs, Eagle Rods, Z10 Crank Girdle) with a B16 Head (ITR Springs, Crower Retainers, Ferrea SS Valves). Haven't even been reving the car that high (8500 RPM) I will post some pics tommorrow. One would think that it is pretty hard for a cam to break in half and that something else would have given first, but everything looks to be fine (the head just checked out perfect) As far as the sarcastic reply by HXMan, you can go buy Web Cams, I was bringing it up on this board because I was under the impression that the DOHC VTEC Cams were fairly new (THE ARI salesman told my friend that they had recently been released when he purchased them 2 months ago). So anyone who wants can purchase their cams. I certainly won't be, just like I don't purchase crower products anymore for the same reason. Just trying to give a heads up to fellow enthusiasts. Brian

p.s. Don't let the low post count fool you, I have been involved in the scene for a while, littlebluecrx can vouch for me.


[Modified by XXXRacing, 3:21 AM 11/27/2002]


[Modified by XXXRacing, 3:22 AM 11/27/2002]

 

WTF where u filming with a webcam in your car.. Seriously... Thats some kinky **** you got going if you broke it too.. Forget Bangbus.. This cat here has HumpHonda!!! *goes to Kazaa to DL this now*

Bare with me guys, 2am and a lil sleepy.. couldnt resist..

 

i actually thought this post had something to do with a webcam originally..

 

Why are you using type R valve springs on a webcam? Shouldn't you be using their valve springs? What is the lift of the cam. Sounds like coil bind.

A friend snapped a timing belt with his TODA B's using type R valve springs. Coil bind.

You have to follow manufacturers specs when building your engines.

Not OEM manufacturers specs.

 

Got a question for ya. Do those cam shafts you have happen to say Crower on them anywhere? For some of their Honda/Acura cams Web actaully uses blanks from Crower and grinds to their/your own specs. Also a little known fact that has been floating around that Crower doesn't tell you. It is recommended by them that you use ITR lost mostion assemblies with their VTEC cams.......Not that I really know what that has to do with anything, I'm a non-VTEC man myself.

BOOS10 is right about the valve springs, most aftermarket camshaft companies have their own line of springs and retainers that they sell along with their camshafts. However with mine, I didn't see what the problem would be with using Crower springs/retainers with a set of Web ground Crower cams


[Modified by Speed PHreak, 11:09 AM 11/27/2002]

 

that sucks

 

Speakfreak is close. Crower and WEB do use the same core but the maker is not Crower. From talking with WEB about this a while back ther are really only 3 makers of cam cores.

 

Logitech have a nice line of webcams, go with a well known brand.

 

Regrinds suck but usually when cams break its installer error.