does anyone know which would go faster in the 1/4mile w/ these stock setup. no mods to the engine, stock i/h/e, and same car(civic hb vx)

 

umm....anyone? =P

 

HEAD??? wat do you mean? which blocks?

 

too many variables, but I`d go w/ the Camry.

 

lmao

 

i say if you are tighter on money, the b20 vtec is definately the way to go h22's get expensive, and all b series motors have millions of variables, so i would go with b20 if you know someone to do work, or can do it yourself. but i think that h22 would be faster, just because of the figure's, then you could always get a si or gsr tranny to go with the b20, the h series only have one tranny.


[Modified by BUCKO5, 6:26 AM 11/22/2002]

 

Stock B20vtec has too low of compression. In this case, I'd say the H22 would win.

 

its gonna be b20/b16 head........why would the compression ratio be too low? also would ls tranny be a bad idea?? i just want it cus it has longer gears but would it be able to hold the torque?

 

If you dropped both off a building at the same time the H22 should hit the ground first, so it's faster


[Modified by Rezon, 2:27 PM 11/22/2002]

 

I like that.........

Build a b20vtec right.........190whp

Drop in a h22.........175whp

slap together a b20vtec..........170whp

drop in a h22 with a CEL...............130whp

Becareful nOObs

 

Stock compression on a B20 is 8.8 CR. With the B16 head it's 9.1CR. And an LS tranny is a horrible idea.

 

From my experiences the LS tranny is fine in a forced induction, but not necessarily the best plan with NA. On my B20 (no VTEC) I have a B16 LSD tranny, and for me, that is the best tranny ever created. I can stay well in the power band all the time. My only complaint is that on the highway, at 120 km/hr (65-75 mph) it's revving at 4200 rpm, and it seems to suck gas like a prostitute sucks...well..you know, but I wish there was a gear set for 5th gear somewhere in between what I have and the LS 5th gear. From what I have been told, using the LS 5th gear makes it seem like you are shifting from 1-2-3-4-6 and there is no 5th gear.

Clayton

 

b20/vtec is weak unless you upgrade the internals. h22 for me

 

Dammit what happened to the tercel?

 

My brother had a B20Vtec (B17 head) in his wehicle with an LS Tranny for about a year then he sold it, never had problems. He said that the LS tranny was great because it allowed him to use the torque. Just my two bits

 

the B20 crank is too heavy vs. ls/vtec the ls engine has a better torque stroke and the Vtec head come on who can complain. the B20 vtec is a crap idea. It is highly dangerous to rev past 7G's with the vtec head and it is generally heavy with Crap for compression. you rev too high in the B20/Vtec you crank walk.

 

H22 wouldn't be a bad idea....

osakajdmmotors.com has that swap for 2900 and it comes with LSD!!!
220 hp drop in and go ....no expensive motor work...variables.....Honda Reliability!!
You cant build a better an all motor set up for the money with this much Torque & power and reliability

We have a H22 in a Civic CX Hatch with 50 shot

see pics @ http://www.tunedbylorange.com/shopcar.html

 

Drops in? Need a mount kit, axles, accord half shaft, modify shift linkage, wiring.... Hardly drop in.

 

Why's that? Because of the weight?

Man, go back to physics class. If all the conditions are the same, they should both hit the ground at the same exact time.

The only thing that would prevent that is their aerodynamics.

-Mr. Wizard

 

The bigest m with the CRVtec is the rod/stroke ratio, the lenghty rod's cause the engine to be somewhat unsafe. I've heard of people revving to 8k on the stock bottom end with no problem's at all, but if yu planning on trying to pass that benchmark, you better be doing it right! Somehow rebuilding you're bottom end. The LS tranny IMO is worthless to an all motor monser, unless you like just getting into 3rd gear as you cross the 1/4, if you plan on boosting, then LS is the best way to go. If spend the same amount of money on a B20 vtec and you were gonna spend on swapping the H22, youre B20 will walk all over the H22 in any way you look at it.

 

What the hell are you talking about, why make such ignorant comments when you don't know a damn thing.....Motor's are as good as you build them, tell me what's the weight difference between a cr-vtec and an ls-vtec, definately not enough to knock it........Wake up

 

To answer your question a h22 would be your better bet, it's honda reliability.If you take a unbuilt cr-vtec and compare it to a stock h22 my guess is that the h22 would make more power and tourque, and would make a better drag car.....But if the cr-vtec was built properly with pistons, rods, balanced, good hardware and assembled by a capable person...IMO the cr-vtec would hand the h22 it's ***...

 

What are you talking about? How much proof do you have of this happening? I have never hard of any problems with a b20 vtec, if you know how to build it right you will be just fine. I have a B20 with a B16 head 11.1 compression pistions and have put 15000km on it in the last summer. No reliability problems nothing. I have stock rods and i have at least once a day reved to over 8500rpm. Hit 9000rpm a couple times at the track as well.

I will be the first to say that ya it is risky but most of the stuff that people say is bull. Everyone says that B20vtec is unreliable blah blah blah...never heard of one breaking yet, i know about quite a few.

I would suggest a B20Vtec, with pistions all because of drivability, h22 is way to heavy and if you ever want to do some solo runnig or anything the sucker will not turn into a corner unless you have serious money to put into suspension.

I would also suggest adding rods, it is safer but if you don't have the money that setup is a nice one..

good luck

 

that was funny.

 

this is a very unfair comparison...

And you people that have no clue, the h22 is NOT that much heavier. I can see the 'you can't turn' crap already.

Anyway, if you're going to go to the trouble of pistons, nice build etc against a STOCK h22...of COURSE the b20/vtec would be the obvious choice.

Why not compare equal builds of the two motors?

'which is better.....a built b18b with a drag 3 or a stock h22?'