I will be boosting my 91 Si in the next month or 2 and I cant decide which route to take - junkyard or kit (preferably Greddy). Anyone have experience with either? I was talking to a friend who has friends with each. He said its almost a waste to buy the Greddy kit since all the piping is useless because of fitment issues, and the Greddy fuel management system doesnt work on OBD-0 cars. Thats almost half of the parts included with the kit that dont work. On the junkyard side, it seems kind of shoddy throwing parts together from several different cars. I also dont have ANY experience with turbos yet, so this route is a little intimidating. It IS more cost-effective, leaving more money for internals/bolt-ons/what-have-you. Let the ideas flow!!

 

buy a drag kit 3,000. complete w/ everything you need

 

And they make them for EF's without any fitment issues?

 

yeah the drag is for the ef, hell fmax makes a ef kit for b16a swaps wtih dual o2 sensors, i would go kit granted it more loot, ive seen some great junkyard turbos and ive seen a lot more shitier ones, imo, get the drag unless u really know what u are doing,


FUEL

 

i did the greddy kit on my ef and i love it!
I have two more kits if interested?
Junk yard kit you will have to go weld a manifold, and more piping...

 

I've tried the junkyard turbo set-up 3 times. Every turbo (TD-05 from Starions) blew up on me dumping oil into my exhaust. The longest I got one to last was two days. If you have the money buy a professional kit.

 

<---Says "Go With Greddy"

I've had mine on my ZC for a couple of months... So far so good, just having to fix a ton of other problems not related to the turbo (Motor mounts, leaking caliper & now brake lines , f*ing up tranny)</endrant>

Anyways, go w/ the Greddy. For daily driving, you will love it.

jB

 

So what did you have to modify in order to get it to fit? Are you running an intercooler as well? What fuel management are you using?
BTW the turbo is going on a d16a6 (stock Si motor w/ 158K miles).

 

JUNKYARD!!! ...mine lasted like 8 months, and then the only thing that went was the motor...

 

get a Greddy kit there like 1477 shipped...or you can find a used one for cheaper...u can go custom if you like to do alot of welding

 

x'ed the hell out of the crossmember, but that's it. I'm running w/ the ZC though, so you MIGHT not have to do as much as I did (It's about ready to break I messed it up pretty bad...)

Here's my setup right now:

88 Civic HB
ZC longblock/Si tranny
ACT 6puck/eXtreme PP
Fidanza 9lb Flywheel
MSD 6A w/ Accel Coil/Modded Cap
Greddy TD04H kit (92-95 Civic)
DSM BOV
DSM 450cc injectors
SMC
Trust FMIC w/ 5g piping
broken motor mounts and busted brake lines...




BTW, don't mind the ghett0 I/C piping, it was the only way I could make it fit at the time and I haven't redone it yet

jB

BTW, I'm not going to tell you how much I paid for the kit (w/ BOV, piping, FMIC, etc...), but I know for a fact you can get everything for <$1200...build a J/Yard w/ fmic, piping, everything for that and be this nice; I dare ya.


[Modified by PeloTudo, 9:03 PM 11/21/2002]

 

What setup did you use?

 

a very ghetto setup

ford probe turbo
dragII fmic
DragII fmu
dsm bov
rc 310's
homemade piping

13.6@106

 

did mine for a little over $600 i'll get some pics soon. it was a pain in the ***, but was the first time...if I had to do it again I could do it in 1/4 the time and mucho better. it doesn't look shabby at all! i'll have to get some pics soon.

 

rev hard kit is on groupbuy right now for 2850 shipped. thats a good price.

 

I just keep running into problems with turbos dumping oil into my intake and exhaust as soon as I put a load on them. What could cause this? They were all the same turbo (TD-05) out of junkyards.

 

1st gen DSM BOV- 50$
SS braided oil line and fittings, - 40$
starion FMIC- 150
TDo5-14b turbo- 65$
HF manifold/motor- free
4 J bends from summit racing- around 70$
3 inch mandrel bent pipe- free ( dualie truck exhaust. 3' mandrel bent)
summit racing turbo muffler- 25
2.5 inch mandrel bent pipes- free * look above*
couplings etcc- 20$
GJC adapter plate- 85$
flex section - 30$
DSM 450CC injectors- 100$
filetofit chip- 20$

misc flanges etcc- 50$

705$ right there


ACT street disc/ pressure plate- 250$
12 LB stock lightened flywheel- 50$

 

Heh, I was waiting for you j/yard bastards to come around. Glad I sparked some interest. I can't wait to get rid of my Greddy and actually build my own.

BTW, honestly, the only reason I went with the Greddy over a j/yard turbo: I was new. I didn't know much about how they worked and how to assemble them. The Greddy kit taught me that, and it's an awesome beginner turbo. Once you're finished having your fun with her, go for building your own...

jB

 

Whats the best junkyard setup i could use? I allready got a ported HF manifold.

 

Before I got rid of my junkyard set up for my ZC i had the following for around $400.
Garret T-3 $20 (lucky *** find)
Return oil flange for T-3 $15
HF manifold $40
DSM SMIC $10 (another good buy)
DSM 1st gen BOV w/ flange $60
Custom adapter plate $110
Custom down and charge pipes $150
Boost gauge $free
Misc fittings and hoses $40

This was good for around 5-8 psi
Wish list:
Bigger injectors
FMU

The only drag about the whole thing was looking for all of the parts that I needed. It took around 6 months to get all that **** together. But doing it yourself you can find some stuff at a good price. Going w/ a GReddy kit and such you could have it all in a couple of days but have to pay a lot more that way.

 

i am also trying to decide if i want to do custom piping or get a greddy kit. i wanted to start with the exhaust manifold. what does everyone mean when they say they used an Dx or hf manifold. Are they are talking about civic hf or civic dx stock manifolds? i am confuzed?

 

The HF manifod is a 4-1 design, similar to that of a turbo manifold. This is why these are used in a home made turbo. They are from an 88-91 CRX HF

 

the manifolds can be used from the 88-91 CRX HF, 88-91 Civic STD, 92-95 CX, and the 96-00 DX...they all have the 'log style' design to them...i've been looking for one for a while now, but cant find a good price on them...people want like 100 bucks for them... check out homdemadeturbo.com for good info on DIY turbo kits...

*EDIT* there was one or two members on here that just welded the turbo onto their stock Si manifold...anyone have pictures of those? also, where can i get those adaptor plates?


[Modified by Infinity_Racer, 4:46 AM 11/22/2002]


[Modified by Infinity_Racer, 4:48 AM 11/22/2002]

 

Yea, that's what i hated most about mine...took frikken forever. Other thing I hated was going to the hardware store 5 times a day for all the little crap. Overall I'm glad I did it though, next time I do a turbo to a future car of mine, I wont have half the problems and it would be much cleaner...I decided this set up was a "learner" turbo build...cheap turbo **** and cheap motor. So if I screw something up, then oh well...but it turned out good

and yes you use the stock hf manifold, there's other d series mani's that you can use also. check out:

http://www.homemadeturbo.com
http://www.thedropshop.tv (i think that's the addy)
http://thenew.gamesbbs.com/~turbosi/

If I had to do it all over agian, I'm not sure what I would do...I would like to build a custom kit using real turbo parts...a real turbo mani and new turbo etc. but this set up was so damn cheap! GReddy kits aren't expensive at all either, it would definetly be an option for me the next time...it's only about $200-$400 more than the junkyard set up...the mani/turbo/dp bolt up beautifully and look great. You have to do your own piping and then a decent fuel system, and you're set! All options are pretty good, you can't go wrong w/ a turbo
Greddy, custom, junkyard, whatever, in the end, we're all fighting for the darkside

 

seals are probably bad in the turbo....when i first put mine on...i didn't put on any charge pipes...which wouldn't build boost so the wastegate wouldn't open and overspin the turbo (poor guy had a few trips to redline w/ no wastegate opening) and it spewed oil all over the place...now that i have charge pipes hooked up it's fine, no oil....like i said above, i'm glad i learned from my mistake on a j/y set up and not some brand new t3/t4 or whatever.

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