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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 03:57 PM
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When installing my Wilwood BBK (12.19 front and 11 in rear) my 15in Buddyclubs do not fit over the calipers. I reached out to a few Fitment Industries and they gave me a list of wheels that "fit". However, JHPUSA(where I bought the brakes) state some of the wheels (TE37s and RPF1s) FI gave me are confirmed to NOT fit. I have been looking all over the place to confirm fitment. I would like to stick to 15s but willing to go to 16s. Any help??
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 04:18 PM
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Sell the wilwood and get an 11.1" setup if you want to stay with 15s.
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 04:34 PM
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Sell the wilwood and get an 11.1" setup if you want to stay with 15s.
I dont mind going bigger if need be. Just didn’t know if anyone knew of a list or a better way of searching what wheels will fit. The buddyclubs (and per JHPUSA the TE37s or RPF1s) don’t even fitting over the 11 inch in the rear so maybe the Wilwoods are bigger than anticipated.
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 05:07 PM
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I don't recall a 12.19 kit fitting 15s, maybe a Team Dynamics wheel will clear?

I know fastbrakes has an 11.75 kit that clears fits 15s. They also have an 12.2in kit, they might know more what wheels fit?
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 05:11 PM
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I don't recall a 12.19 kit fitting 15s, maybe a Team Dynamics wheel will clear?

I know fastbrakes has an 11.75 kit that clears fits 15s. They also have an 12.2in kit, they might know more what wheels fit?
The kit says "may fit under some 15in wheels but it is not guaranteed". I wanted to stay 15s because I just bought new Nittos, but looks like I may have to go to 16s. Still a bit frustrating I cannot find for sure what wheels fit and what wheels wont. I dont want to buy new wheels and tires and they not fit lol
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 05:16 PM
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The Wilwood rear calipers that come with the parking brake block will not fit under any 15" wheel that I'm aware of. What I did was use remanufactured OEM calipers with Hawk HP+ pads, called it a day.

Not sure on their fronts, but generally speaking there's a very short list of 15" wheels that can accomodate big front brakes, Grams 57DR and Volk TE37's being two. Kosei I think has a set as well.
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 05:20 PM
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The Wilwood rear calipers that come with the parking brake block will not fit under any 15" wheel that I'm aware of. What I did was use remanufactured OEM calipers with Hawk HP+ pads, called it a day.

Not sure on their fronts, but generally speaking there's a very short list of 15" wheels that can accomodate big front brakes, Grams 57DR and Volk TE37's being two. Kosei I think has a set as well.

When I was going through different threads and saw you had a similar issue. Do you think 16" 57DR fit both the 12.19 front kit and 11 rear kit? I just want peace of mind when purchasing so I dont make a mistake and have to pay additional restocking or shipping fees to return wheels and tires!. Doesnt look like I can keep my 15" with this setup. No big deal, live and learn I guess!
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 05:59 PM
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I know for sure the 16in te37 16x7 +32 (I think or +33) cleared the 12in wilwoods.
Checked my friends FB for a pic of his DB8, and this was the best I could find

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When I was going through different threads and saw you had a similar issue. Do you think 16" 57DR fit both the 12.19 front kit and 11 rear kit? I just want peace of mind when purchasing so I dont make a mistake and have to pay additional restocking or shipping fees to return wheels and tires!. Doesnt look like I can keep my 15" with this setup. No big deal, live and learn I guess!
I would wager that most likely yes assuming you're using a 4 piston front caliper, but the only way to know for sure outside of getting lucky and finding someone with the same exact setup is to either diagram and math it out (I'm too dumb for this) or mount it up and see for yourself. The front rotors I have on my 15" 57DR are 11.57" in diameter. The 11" in the rear will definitely work if you're not keeping the parking cable - With the parking cable block I'm not sure, I wasn't even close to clearing on my 15".

My exact wheel specs, if useful: Grams Lights 57DR 15x8 +35 with 3mm spacer
Front brakes are the Honed Porsche 986 kit
For the rear I just went with an OEM style setup with Hawk HP+ pads after the Wilwoods didn't work out. I'm not concerned about it, I'll have plenty of stopping power and longevity for a 2400lb car.
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I know for sure the 16in te37 16x7 +32 (I think or +33) cleared the 12in wilwoods.
Checked my friends FB for a pic of his DB8, and this was the best I could find
I appreciate the help! Looks like I will be looking at 16s. Ill just reach out to make sure it can cover the rear caliper. Thanks for looking it up and those TE37s look clean!
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I would wager that most likely yes assuming you're using a 4 piston front caliper, but the only way to know for sure outside of getting lucky and finding someone with the same exact setup is to either diagram and math it out (I'm too dumb for this) or mount it up and see for yourself. The front rotors I have on my 15" 57DR are 11.57" in diameter. The 11" in the rear will definitely work if you're not keeping the parking cable - With the parking cable block I'm not sure, I wasn't even close to clearing on my 15".

My exact wheel specs, if useful: Grams Lights 57DR 15x8 +35 with 3mm spacer
Front brakes are the Honed Porsche 986 kit
For the rear I just went with an OEM style setup with Hawk HP+ pads after the Wilwoods didn't work out. I'm not concerned about it, I'll have plenty of stopping power and longevity for a 2400lb car.

Do you think a setup of TE37s 16x8 + 35 fit with the parking cable? That might be something I am looking at now.
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dustindean4
Do you think a setup of TE37s 16x8 + 35 fit with the parking cable? That might be something I am looking at now.
I honestly can't say either way. The caliper wouldn't clear the barrel on my 15".
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Old Oct 26, 2023 | 06:31 PM
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I honestly can't say either way. The caliper wouldn't clear the barrel on my 15".
Were you running the 11 inch rear brake kit or the 12.19? I am running the 12.19 front and 11 rear. I know online it said the 12.19 rear requires 17" wheels.
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Were you running the 11 inch rear brake kit or the 12.19? I am running the 12.19 front and 11 rear. I know online it said the 12.19 rear requires 17" wheels.
11"
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Going to a 16" wheel you also lose a lot of tire choice.
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Old Oct 29, 2023 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisfrom1986
Going to a 16" wheel you also lose a lot of tire choice.
I noticed that. At this point I just want something that will fit over the calipers lol definitely a lesson learned moment on this.
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Going to a 16" wheel you also lose a lot of tire choice.
This. You're almost better off going down on brake size to keep a better tire selection. Or you can go up to 17s (likely the better option if you go big power and/or k-swap on a track car). 16s are (in my opinion) the perfect size for these chassis, but have always been a black sheep for tire selection... I've been trying to make them work literally since last century.
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Old Oct 30, 2023 | 11:30 AM
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This. You're almost better off going down on brake size to keep a better tire selection. Or you can go up to 17s (likely the better option if you go big power and/or k-swap on a track car). 16s are (in my opinion) the perfect size for these chassis, but have always been a black sheep for tire selection... I've been trying to make them work literally since last century.
Ive already accepted I will have to move to at least 16s. I’m having the guys at Fitment industries contact Rays to see if 16s of the TE37s will fit. If not I’ll raise the car a bit and get 17s to clear. The car will be K-swapped within the next year! I’ve already gotten the subframe and started compiling a list of parts needed.
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It would be real stupid to spend $3k on wheels only to be stuck with shitty all season tires on something you're planning on making power with.

What was the point of buying wilwood?

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This. You're almost better off going down on brake size to keep a better tire selection. Or you can go up to 17s (likely the better option if you go big power and/or k-swap on a track car). 16s are (in my opinion) the perfect size for these chassis, but have always been a black sheep for tire selection... I've been trying to make them work literally since last century.
This is the only reason I bought 15" itr instead of 16".
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Originally Posted by Chrisfrom1986
It would be real stupid to spend $3k on wheels only to be stuck with shitty all season tires on something you're planning on making power with.

What was the point of buying wilwood?



This is the only reason I bought 15" itr instead of 16".
I bought Wilwood partly out of ignorance and OCD. Just now getting around to working on my EM1 as a project. I’ve always heard good things of Brembo, Wilwood, and Spoon. (haven’t heard of Fastbrakes until after I discovered my mistake). So when I was going through my options Wilwood was the only one I saw with front and rear (where my OCD came in lol). Live and learn I guess!
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I am mixed on 16s, but I guess it comes to tire selection, sometimes they look good, but other times the sidewall looks too tall for the chassis and 17s look worse for me lol. But I get why its popular on the high power K swap cars.

Since my two Hondas are B and D series, I'll probably be sticking with 15s and interchangeability between the two cars

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I am mixed on 16s, but I guess it comes to tire selection, sometimes they look good, but other times the sidewall looks too tall for the chassis and 17s look worse for me lol. But I get why its popular on the high power K swap cars.

Since my two Hondas are B and D series, I'll probably be sticking with 15s and interchangeability between the two cars
I definitely prefer the smaller wheels, but I feel I’m too much emotionally and financially invested in this BBK to get rid of it and start over lol I do plan on K-swapping the car so I guess I could talk myself into liking, or at least tolerating, the bigger wheels since there is a purpose. Hopefully I can find some 16s that fit and if not 17s it is!
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17s. The wheels that look best are whatever fits and leaves you with good tire selection. Raise the car up a little, put a fat tire on there them at has the correct rollout for the k series gearing, and enjoy the increased contact patch.
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You already have the wheels. Just sell the brakes and don't make it harder than it has to be.
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Honestly, that's the best answer. There are so many setups out there that are better than Wilwood and fit behind a lot of 15s. There are plenty of ~11.5" options and a few up to 11.75" diameter. Find something with a 28mm or thicker rotor and you'll have all the brakes you ever need.
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