Hi im john i have allways been honda mad best car on the road f1 mad since senna and prost and champ cars with zinardi and vasser realy dissappointed about honda quiting when they are doing so well with an engine that had a bad start anyway i have a 99 accord type r an 97 five gen. I have had every lude 3 ( 3rd gen) except 4th gen. And a 1800 civic.