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92 Hatch - Floorboard bent - Driver side Camber issue?

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Old Aug 9, 2021 | 07:01 PM
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Default 92 Hatch - Floorboard bent - Driver side Camber issue?

Okay, so my little VX shell I discovered the driver side floor board was bent upward quite a bit. I took a chunk of 2x4 and my mini sledge and beat it back down to some degree. Still bent a bit. Bent enough I'm not sure it will be strong if fully straightened.

I put back the suspension to stock and redid all the control arm bushings with Poly ES bushings. Stock Upper control arms so no camber adjustments at the moment. I may change them out for my truhart arms but would like to get the car situated proper before having to resort to that to compensate.

The driver side front wheel is wearing the snot out of the outside corner edge which in the suspension section sticky, says it's camber that does that. I also have a bit of steering shake at higher freeway speeds (110 KPH+) which begs if the tire wear could be bad toe on the drivers side.

Anyways, I'm wondering if the bent floor board could change Camber or am I thinking about that damage wrong?
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Old Aug 10, 2021 | 09:50 AM
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Default Re: 92 Hatch - Floorboard bent - Driver side Camber issue?

toe wears tires. your alignment is obviously off.

judging your car experience from the other thread, you really need to bring your car to a mechanic, have them check it out for you.

you obviously have some crash damage related to the floorboard, you need to figure out what else is bad.
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Old Aug 10, 2021 | 05:48 PM
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I don't think there is crash damage. The lines of the fenders, lights, bumper and hood are really good. My wifes eh2 hatch has crash damage and I have been fixing the gaps being the shop didn't straighten the frame to keep insurance paying for the car instead of scrapping it like they like to do. I believe the previous owner had a close call and dropped the car onto something right at the driver side floor board. Probably when they were slamming the car on the strut coil over sleeve kit which they also botched.

You didn't answer the question regarding string alignment. Is it also used to do camber?

I'm not sure what other "thread" you are referring to, but to insist I need to take the car to a mechanic is a bit condescending. I do let the tire kids do the alignment as it's cheap and they tend to have the laser equipment on hand. I doubt they drop 200 pounds into the driver seat but it gets close enough. I've already rebuilt the transmission, I reassembled my old B7 with new rings, new bearings, new seals, crank repair sleeves, new gaskets and seated the rings. 10,000 Km and maybe used 1 liter of oil if that. I will say the piston slap sounds pretty bad, but that's to be expected on a poor man rebuild, the light hone just made the taper a bit worse on cylinder 3 so the rings will eventually fatigue and go.

Anyways, just wanted to know if the floor board could cause significant camber change and if the string alignment method used in racing can be used for camber not just toe. Those are my questions I'm curious about.

I do thank you for confirming toe could cause the same wear or that is what I'm taking away from your statement. It fits the high speed mild shake.

A bit more to do like rebuild the Z1 motor and eventually this poor abused VX will be back in her glory.

Oh and I see now what "thread" you were referring to. Not enough information in there in my opinion to jump to such a conclusion but I understand it now. Hopefully I've provided a bit better insight to why my questions.
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floor board damage should not effect suspension geometry.
my previous 95 civic had floor board damage as well...that was from previous owner that decided to jack the car up from the driver floor pan. I too used a 2x4 and a hammer to knock it back down.

camber will have to be way positive for it to wear as you are describing.
is the positive camber pretty obvious visually?

i vibration would make me believe that it is toe angle wear
how are your tie rods looking?
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Old Aug 15, 2021 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sic_DA_Nine
floor board damage should not effect suspension geometry.
my previous 95 civic had floor board damage as well...that was from previous owner that decided to jack the car up from the driver floor pan. I too used a 2x4 and a hammer to knock it back down.

camber will have to be way positive for it to wear as you are describing.
is the positive camber pretty obvious visually?

i vibration would make me believe that it is toe angle wear
how are your tie rods looking?
No, Camber looks normal visually so I believe it to be a toe problem based on the discussion in my other thread in this section. Good to know that it would take severe floor damage more in line with crash damage to affect suspension geometry. Thank you for that piece of info.
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