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Old Jul 20, 2020 | 09:30 PM
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Default Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

Hey on my 95 civic ex coupe the sway bars rub the lower control arm and I'm wondering Is that normal? Or should I could i use these links that came with these lower control arms instead of the links that are like the ones that came with the sway bar which has always been on the car. They would mount to the other lil hole I highlighted in the pics. Is that /would that be normal? Would it fix my Rub problem?














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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 05:41 AM
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That looks to be like after market front LCA's as well as links.

Fitment is always in question with after market parts. Many do not stick to OEM geometry and just make it "close enough". It is one of thee things that separate quality aftermarket parts from crap-bay parts.
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 07:05 AM
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those are not 95 eg lca, those are not dc/db integra lca.
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 06:19 PM
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They're quality LCAs from HardRace Australia.
the first set was recalled, these are so far so good, weigh less, and seem to take up less space.
so if i recall correctly, my old LCAs got rubbed too.
so does it look like the links go that way and I should switch?
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 06:34 PM
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Take a look at the oem placement of the swaybar endlink and take a look at yours.
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 10:56 PM
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i can't find any pictures to take a look at that. guess i will just try those links and see if it fixes the rub?
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 07:26 AM
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The links that are on there are "upside down" DC Integra links. The Hardrace links you pictured are most similar to a 99-00 Civic Si, but aren't going to work with your stock Civic sway bar. The solution is going to be to find a front bar off of an Integra (or Del Sol VTEC) and/or raise the car a bit. Is it particularly low currently?

What you've suggested in your third picture ain't gonna work.
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 10:21 AM
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Yes it's lowered. Thanks i will consider an integra sway bar.
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 10:30 PM
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A user named The spongeness was on an old post saying that some Integra end-links, and thus sway bar ends, are different than others. Some Integras have the right angle end links and some have the exact same straight-through style as the civic. Maybe like '94 - '97 are one type and '98-'01 are the other type? Or is it only Type R Integras that use that end-link? Does anyone know which year/trim Integra sway bar I need?

This 95 Civic EX has a stock 21mm front sway bar. And no rear sway bar. It's lowered with the Tein Flex Z Coilovers on the Front and Rear that have the adjustable spring rate dial things. I always keep them on softest settings but should I maybe consider adjusting them and using no sway bars at all? It's a West Virginia daily driver to work but that also daily driven kinda zippy on back-roads just to drive them for fun and thats all i really care about.

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Old Jul 23, 2020 | 06:13 AM
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

That’s actually true, I forgot about that. Early lower model DC integra had the same bar as the Civics (like yours). I think it was ‘98 that they all started having the 24mm bar in the front.
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

But maybe i should consider no sway bars?
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Old Jul 23, 2020 | 01:12 PM
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You must have this thing slammed or something because there has to be a reason why hardrace would build an lca with the swaybar mounting point lower and they didn't have any issues BEFORE even putting this up for sale...
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Old Jul 23, 2020 | 10:35 PM
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Yes, it is pretty low, lowered with the flex z tien coilovers. but it's on 16" rims with 205/45-16 tires instead of the stock 185/60 r14. I slammed it to the max at first but now it is raised up a couple threads on the coilover from that.

I like how the car looks with the 16s but only if it's low. I want to keep the 16s and keep it lowered. So should i maybe consider no sway bar and just adjust the coilovers? I'm thinking that with no sway bars the wv backroads will feel less harsh but would I miss the sway bar? Could i still control whether i had oversteer or understeer by just using the coilover settings instead of different front and rear sway bar thicknesses?
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Old Jul 26, 2020 | 10:17 PM
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

I ordered this

98-01 HONDA INTEGRA DC2 TYPE-R ITR OEM 24MM FRONT SWAY #3 BAR JDM B18C


98-01 HONDA INTEGRA DC2 TYPE-R ITR OEM 24MM FRONT SWAY #3 BAR JDM B18C

98-01 HONDA INTEGRA DC2 TYPE-R ITR OEM 24MM FRONT SWAY #3 BAR JDM B18C

Is this all i need? Do i also need different brackets or anything to fit these on a 95 civic EX with those HardRace front LCAs?
Thanks people
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Old Jul 26, 2020 | 10:25 PM
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

You’ll need new bushings.
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Old Jul 26, 2020 | 10:31 PM
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

Originally Posted by tony_2018
You must have this thing slammed or something because there has to be a reason why hardrace would build an lca with the swaybar mounting point lower and they didn't have any issues BEFORE even putting this up for sale...
Hardrace is a weird brand because they are somehow decent parts that last well and simultaneously cheap overseas junk that sometimes just doesn’t fit well.

I have a lot of their products, most which are worry free with tons of miles on them. I also used to have Hardrace lca bushings that I had to tack weld into the arms because they were barely more snug than a slip fit. You win some, you lose some with their stuff.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 12:01 AM
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

Im pretty sure the sway bar rubbed on the stock LCAs. I'll dig up my stock arms and show youz.

If i need different bushings then do i need different brackets to hold the bushings? Or you mean there's different bushings before the end links?
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 07:22 AM
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

Yes. You’ll use those other end links that you have. You should be able to adjust the length on them to keep the bar away the arms. I imagine that’s what the idea was when Hardrace came up with that mounting setup. You might still need to raise the car a little.
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Originally Posted by spAdam
Hardrace is a weird brand because they are somehow decent parts that last well and simultaneously cheap overseas junk that sometimes just doesn’t fit well.

I have a lot of their products, most which are worry free with tons of miles on them. I also used to have Hardrace lca bushings that I had to tack weld into the arms because they were barely more snug than a slip fit. You win some, you lose some with their stuff.
I only had issues with the rear toe and camber because the metal on the 'brand that no longer sells bushings' were soft. The lca bushings are still intact. I've since upgraded to hardrace adjustable toe and camber, well the camber is truhart but the bushings are hardrace.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 07:33 PM
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spa-dam idk i was lookin at pictures to see if maybe I could just adjust my end links i have on now and raise the sway bar up and i was looking at the pictures like wtf did hardrace or wherever i got those send the wrong links or what. Can i adjust these In more ways? and If not should the others be on instead?



U know if Can these adjust out other than the nuts on the ends? I have these on now in the other pics.

I seen these but i think they would have fit my original oem control arms but not the HardRace control arms.
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 08:27 PM
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

Originally Posted by tony_2018
Take a look at the oem placement of the swaybar endlink and take a look at yours.
Originally Posted by lurice01
i can't find any pictures to take a look at that. guess i will just try those links and see if it fixes the rub?
Originally Posted by lurice01
spa-dam idk i was lookin at pictures to see if maybe I could just adjust my end links i have on now and raise the sway bar up and i was looking at the pictures like wtf did hardrace or wherever i got those send the wrong links or what. Can i adjust these In more ways? and If not should the others be on instead?



U know if Can these adjust out other than the nuts on the ends? I have these on now in the other pics.

I seen these but i think they would have fit my original oem control arms but not the HardRace control arms.

wow...
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Old Jul 27, 2020 | 09:44 PM
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Default Re: Front Sway Bars Rubbing Lower Control Arm Because of Wrong Links?

The first ones you have pictured are stock style Integra links (for the bar you just picked up). They are installed on your car upside down to work with you control arms and the Civic bar. The other ones are typical Civic links. They won’t work with your aftermarket arms. Neither are adjustable. The other ones you pictured way up above are an adjustable version to replace the 96-00 CTR and EM1 links on those cars, those are the ones you’ll need to use with your 24mm bar and your aftermarket arms.
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Old Jul 28, 2020 | 10:43 PM
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Ha it's clear now 🙏 As I understand the REAR si sway bar is 13mm. the rear bars on an integra's are 14mm, type R 22mm, jdm 23mm.

and i think 22mm is best If front is 24mm Right? That would be a hint of oversteer but maybe I won't like that? and that requires a brace by ASR or Progress for a 95 civic ex. And that's all? It already has ASR rear LCAs.
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