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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 05:50 PM
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So I finally got to dyno my car
B16 motor
Wiseco pistons
Eagle rods
Head studs
Civic type r cams
Stock b16 intake
Stock valve Train
Cometic. 040 head gasket
Maxspeedingrods 50front 63 back turbo
Drag cast iron log manifold
Chipped ecu on neptune
Made 297 whp on 20psi
Is this power ok for this setup?
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 05:58 PM
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Got a link to the turbo you're using? Something seems off here.. 297 from 20psi seems not very efficient.
Not fond of chipped setups.. Too much hassle to tune, therefore tuners really try to get in, get off, get out..


Edit: That a B16A?
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 06:04 PM
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Got a link to the turbo you're using? Something seems off here.. 297 from 20psi seems not very efficient.
Not fond of chipped setups.. Too much hassle to tune, therefore tuners really try to get in, get off, get out..


Edit: That a B16A?
Yes it's a b16A, the compression is low dats why is bent the piston specs sheet plus Im using a. 40 head gasket, gonna find the turbo and show u
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 06:07 PM
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 06:18 PM
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Ok, I see now. Smaller turbo. Looks like VTEC hits about 5200 or so? Nearly peak torque right around there. Low hitting torque band. I'd figure that turbo would have a little more left in it but I'm still learning wheel specs myself. Lol! I'd expect another 30-40 horses possibly but, again, I could be mistaken. New intake mani and throttle body would do you a TON of good though as well..
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 06:22 PM
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Ok, I see now. Smaller turbo. Looks like VTEC hits about 5200 or so? Nearly peak torque right around there. Low hitting torque band. I'd figure that turbo would have a little more left in it but I'm still learning wheel specs myself. Lol! I'd expect another 30-40 horses possibly but, again, I could be mistaken. New intake mani and throttle body would do you a TON of good though as well..
Ye vetc is about 5000,ye the turbo is a bit small for the setup but I didn't want much turbo lag as it's my street car, I tink probably a better turbo Manifold and a bigger turbo would make more but I think I'm gonna leave it at this power for now
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Old Mar 18, 2020 | 06:49 PM
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I think the turbo really probably don’t do much past 12-15psi, it just runs out. 20psi with a decent turbo would normally be close to 400whp from what I’ve seen. Mine is over 500whp at 20 psi but mine is the b18c1. In the future I would look into something a little bigger. My t3/t4 did about the same power around 13psi and I was probably about maxed out, the issue with running to much boost on a small turbo is the intake temperature will get high and the CFM just isn’t there to make more power..... lower the boost and make the same power safer...... I might be wrong
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 03:02 AM
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ditch that turbo and you will see better results.

297HP on 20psi.....uhhmm...ok.


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ditch that turbo and you will see better results.

Agreed. A more effective, efficient turbo will yield better results. Even if your goal was 300hp, a better turbo in the app would do it at less pressure.and could still widen the power curve.
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 05:14 AM
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Agreed. A more effective, efficient turbo will yield better results. Even if your goal was 300hp, a better turbo in the app would do it at less pressure.and could still widen the power curve.
OK, what turbo could I use that would not have too much lag, I was thinking maybe a Gt30, I don't want to buy an expensive turbo either, and what about the drag manifold, I was thinking to use a inline pro instead
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OK, what turbo could I use that would not have too much lag, I was thinking maybe a Gt30, I don't want to buy an expensive turbo either, and what about the drag manifold, I was thinking to use a inline pro instead
How much power do you realistically want to make?
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The thing with the drag manifold is the waste gage is on one runner. Even a ebay cast log has them in the center for better boost control. The car most likely has horrible boost creep. I’d do For your budget in mind a rev 9 60/62 t3 .63 ar or a VS racing 5858 and a ebay log to move the gate to the middle for better boost control
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Originally Posted by Autoworks
How much power do you realistically want to make?
300-320whp
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The thing with the drag manifold is the waste gage is on one runner. Even a ebay cast log has them in the center for better boost control. The car most likely has horrible boost creep. I’d do For your budget in mind a rev 9 60/62 t3 .63 ar or a VS racing 5858 and a ebay log to move the gate to the middle for better boost control
OK can u send me a link to the Rev 9 turbo, I have a inline pro that I can put on also
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 07:19 AM
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The thing is I'm not disappointed with the power the car made, I just thought I should have made it on less boost, but I guess the turbo is small for the setup and compression, I just want to know it's ok to drive the car daily on the 20psi

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The ting is I'm not disappointed with the power the car made, I just thought I should have made it on less boost, but I guess the turbo is small for the setup and compression, I just want to know it's ok to drive the car daily on the 20psi
plain and simple....it's a crappy turbo. From the pics, it's a 50 trim turbo. You can get a brand new Turbonetics turbo for around $550. Since you already have an InlinePro manifold, just use that instead. I most certain the downpipe will need to be modified.
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 08:24 AM
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plain and simple....it's a crappy turbo. From the pics, it's a 50 trim turbo. You can get a brand new Turbonetics turbo for around $550. Since you already have an InlinePro manifold, just use that instead. I most certain the downpipe will need to be modified.
Yes I will leave d car as it is for now till I get a better turbo
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what's your fuel setup? Was it tuned on pump gas or E85?
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what's your fuel setup? Was it tuned on pump gas or E85?
Pump gas, 90 octane is the highest we have here in Jamaica
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Pump gas, 90 octane is the highest we have here in Jamaica
makes a LOT more sense now.. Better turbo or not, you're limited by that gas.
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makes a LOT more sense now.. Better turbo or not, you're limited by that gas.
Yes dats why I didn't really want to push it past 300whp
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Yes dats why I didn't really want to push it past 300whp

need to get that boost lower , I think your probably going to have some damn high intake temperatures using that small turbo. That REV9 60/62 would probably be a perfect size. It could make 500 but it would flow nice at your power range. I was supposed to be in Jamaica in a few weeks, don’t look like I’ll be there now because of the virus
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need to get that boost lower , I think your probably going to have some damn high intake temperatures using that small turbo. That REV9 60/62 would probably be a perfect size. It could make 500 but it would flow nice at your power range. I was supposed to be in Jamaica in a few weeks, don’t look like I’ll be there now because of the virus
Ye I'm gonna leave it as it is till I get a bigger turbo, I drive it around on 16psi which made 270whp, I have a boost switch inside the car dat I use to turn it up to 20psi if I need to, yes the virus has haulted traveling so it's best to wait till it blows off, Jamaica is a lovely place to visit
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need to get that boost lower , I think your probably going to have some damn high intake temperatures using that small turbo. That REV9 60/62 would probably be a perfect size. It could make 500 but it would flow nice at your power range. I was supposed to be in Jamaica in a few weeks, don’t look like I’ll be there now because of the virus

Is this the turbo u speak of?
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Yep, but looking at how close your turbo already is to the block you might have issue with your manifold you have currently
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