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Contemplating going Turbo on the Fiat X19 B16. It is in competition with (go figure) a NA b20 Vtec. the Issue I have is VERY limited space on the exhaust side before the firewall rear window. I was thinking of a top mount as the top is where I have more space. Any opinions on a good top mount that wil keep the turbo as close as possible to the engine would be great. I go have this pic that was floating around the internet but you cant see the manifold nor have I been able to find the owner.
I will check those out. I googles a bunch already, but most of them are just suppliers and when I ask about measurements they "all we have are the pictures and specs shown". so I was hoping someone here might be running a tight top mount system that I can get measurements/pictures from.
thought about the custom route, but as I will already be pumping a bunch on money into it, I would like to keep costs down when ever possible. I have not contacted anyone to get a ball park of a custom so I guess it might be possible to be below my $500 budget I estimated for a good manifold.
Most top mounts I've seen will place the turbo much lower than it is shown in that pic. Intended to fit below a typical Honda hood. To get it up that high, you will have to go custom. Or, buy a top mount and have an extension tube fabricated that will raise the turbo up even higher. But this does not seem like an efficient route to take because your runner length will already be so long with a top mount, and most of it will be unnecessary. What you really need is a mini ram flipped upside down. Maybe contact GoAutoworks and see if they could test fit a mini-ram style with the exhaust flange flipped over, if a turbo would clear the top of the valve cover. Maybe they would send you pics.
I contacted RameyBuilt about a custom since you suggested it. I wonder if I want the route of buying a turbo. figuring out where it can fit first. then I could get measurements to see if there is a style that would put it in that spot. I am not a fan of it being that high. and I actually can play with the firewall a little. currently it is a double wall that has the gas tank behind it. (ok its mid engine so it is in front of it) I could get a cell and put it up front in the frunk then I could gain space there. it is not structural as plenty of X owneres have cut it out after moving the cell up front to save weight. now you have me thinking. then I could do a bottom mount and pull air from the side vent.
Use a tubular log style manifold, smallish T3 sized turbo should fit if you cut away the inner firewall. It put the turbo right up against the engine block. My t3/t4 is practically touching and I think some of the casting was actually grinded away for clearance.
Getting the turbo in and out of that space will be another story.
LOL good point about getting it in and out. the way the firewall is, form back to front. firewall, gas tank, another firewall to the interior. I could, maybe, create an access point in that wall between where the gas tank was and the interior.
what brand/vendor did you get the tubular log from?
If you were considering a top mount, how about a sidewinder / hytech style that puts the turbo more over the transmission? Runners wouldn't be much longer than a top mount. You'd need to have a plan for heat control, because that's a lot of surface area to radiate heat off of.
If you were considering a top mount, how about a sidewinder / hytech style that puts the turbo more over the transmission? Runners wouldn't be much longer than a top mount. You'd need to have a plan for heat control, because that's a lot of surface area to radiate heat off of.
I could look at that possibility. because it is mid engine, I dont have as much space over the trans, all my cooling goes over that to reach the front of the car.
Since you have such space limitations... what about building a B20/VTEC ? No additional space needed, and you will jump the power output from 140 whp to 210 whp. Certainly not turbo power, but easy with respect to your space issues and MUCH more reliable than turbocharging.
Since you have such space limitations... what about building a B20/VTEC ? No additional space needed, and you will jump the power output from 140 whp to 210 whp. Certainly not turbo power, but easy with respect to your space issues and MUCH more reliable than turbocharging.
because... TURBO!!!! that is what i am probably goig to end up with if i cant make one fit.
many x owners are k-swaping. It is alot more intensive to do so. I started my b swap before there was a k swap kit. ($3400 for the basic kit) there is no need for a kit for the b. My main costs were a running honda with the b swap.1800. Sold the shell to recoup 1000. The shafts were from the driveshaft shop 700. Overkill but they will last. Rywire race harness 600. I could have done my own but suck at that much wiring. Cable shifter 100 ebay porsche spyder. As you see i am not near the price of the kit alone for the k. Money not an object. The k is the way.
If it were only about power i would put a turbo ls v8 in there... there is power, balance, cost and time. For me, the b met that much better than the k. Specifically cost and time. After i did mine, i can do the b swap in a weekend. For under 1500 and the cost of what motor you want. For the k, again, over 3k for just the kit. And it has taken most people 4 to 6 weekends to put the kit in. Because you have to make pretty precise cuts and welds. Then the engine. You have to modify the intake because it hits the firewall in a place you cant modify the firewall. Then it would be a custom exhaust even if you didnt go turbo as it isnt a fwd honda and the fiat rear cross member that has the suspension on it will get in the way. To ME, it isnt worth it i am in my 50's and want drive time not looking at it in my shop time. Maybe i will do a k for my next one. So i can drive and work
opinions needed:Fiat X19 B16 turbo exhaust manifold pre-fabbed optione
