Difference between mini ram and ramhorn turbo height placement?

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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 03:31 PM
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For a daily driver I'm concerned with how low a mini ram manifold might mount the turbo. Concerned with objects hitting it and also if I were to run through standing water while driving. How much higher does a ramhorn place the turbo?
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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 03:54 PM
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Your overthinking this, get a air intake for the turbo and your fine even without one it wouldn't suck up water it's not that low basically more less sits at the top of your block. To answer your question a few inches
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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 04:04 PM
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Your overthinking this, get a air intake for the turbo and your fine even without one it wouldn't suck up water it's not that low basically more less sits at the top of your block. To answer your question a few inches
I'm not worried about that part. I plan to run a custom intake/filter up to the fender area where the washer fluid reservoir is.
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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
For a daily driver I'm concerned with how low a mini ram manifold might mount the turbo. Concerned with objects hitting it and also if I were to run through standing water while driving. How much higher does a ramhorn place the turbo?
Running a miniram myself, I have no fear of dunking the turbo at all. It stays in a comfortable position.



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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 04:10 PM
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Default Re: Difference between mini ram and ramhorn turbo height placement?

Thanks for the pics, yea that looks fine. Somehow in my mind I envisioned it sitting much lower than that due to the turbo draining issues people tend to run into.

I've read the minirams have problems with boost creep. Is this accurate? I was thinking of going with a 44 over a 38 due to this.
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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Thanks for the pics, yea that looks fine. Somehow in my mind I envisioned it sitting much lower than that due to the turbo draining issues people tend to run into.

I've read the minirams have problems with boost creep. Is this accurate? I was thinking of going with a 44 over a 38 due to this.
I have pushed 12 psi on an 8lb spring and have had ZERO creep on this setup with a 38mm tial. Currently pushing 25.. You WILL have mild difficulty routing your return but, it CAN be accomplished!
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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Txdragon
I have pushed 12 psi on an 8lb spring and have had ZERO creep on this setup with a 38mm tial. Currently pushing 25.. You WILL have mild difficulty routing your return but, it CAN be accomplished!
I have pictures of Lightningteg's drain setup and it looks easy enough.

I do plan to re-route the dump tube into the downpipe. I wonder if that increases the risk of boost creep or not. I haven't bought the wastegate yet so 38 or 44, doesn't matter to me. I need to get Autoworks on the phone, tried today to no luck.
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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 04:28 PM
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Running the same manifold and wastegate setup as Txdragon. Spring holds 8psi and I have it boosting up to 17.5 on the street and holds great. Greg does beautiful work


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Old Feb 3, 2020 | 07:20 PM
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I like those manifolds. I would imagine the drain is pretty close to level to the top of the pan no?
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Old Feb 4, 2020 | 03:19 AM
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I like those manifolds. I would imagine the drain is pretty close to level to the top of the pan no?
It is pretty close, yeah. For mine, there is JUUUST enough downslope toward the pan for a good drain.
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Old Feb 4, 2020 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Thanks for the pics, yea that looks fine. Somehow in my mind I envisioned it sitting much lower than that due to the turbo draining issues people tend to run into.

I've read the minirams have problems with boost creep. Is this accurate? I was thinking of going with a 44 over a 38 due to this.
totally depends on the turbo

Virtually no Honda manifolds made to date prioritize the wastegate so if you put a big old honking turbo on one your gonna have problems regardless.

For what you want I don't think it'll be a problem.
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
I have pictures of Lightningteg's drain setup and it looks easy enough.

I do plan to re-route the dump tube into the downpipe. I wonder if that increases the risk of boost creep or not. I haven't bought the wastegate yet so 38 or 44, doesn't matter to me. I need to get Autoworks on the phone, tried today to no luck.
Boost "creep" wouldn't be an issue, but boost response using a boost controller can be affected depending upon how well you route the dumptube into the downpipe stream. :Hint: the smoother the angle into the rest of the downpipe stream, the better results you'll get.
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Old Feb 5, 2020 | 02:25 AM
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Ramhorn manifolds usually place the turbo higher than mini ram types. Well, at least mine does...lol
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Old Feb 5, 2020 | 02:54 AM
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Ramhorn manifolds usually place the turbo higher than mini ram types. Well, at least mine does...lol
Is that an EGT sensor in your dump tube? I wouldn't imagine it's an O2 sensor.
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Old Feb 5, 2020 | 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Txdragon
Is that an EGT sensor in your dump tube? I wouldn't imagine it's an O2 sensor.
Thats his downpipe
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Old Feb 5, 2020 | 03:24 AM
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Default Re: Difference between mini ram and ramhorn turbo height placement?

It's a Bosch wideband sensor....DP. The dump tube overlaps the DP, downwards in front of the block/oil pan.
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Old Feb 5, 2020 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LightningTeg
Thats his downpipe
Originally Posted by NVturbo
It's a Bosch wideband sensor....DP. The dump tube overlaps the DP, downwards in front of the block/oil pan.
Picture trickery! Or, my eyes are getting old.. Looked like a sensor in the dump tube. Lol!
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Old Feb 5, 2020 | 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v

I do plan to re-route the dump tube into the downpipe. I wonder if that increases the risk of boost creep or not. I haven't bought the wastegate yet so 38 or 44, doesn't matter to me. I need to get Autoworks on the phone, tried today to no luck.
Originally Posted by TheShodan
Boost "creep" wouldn't be an issue, but boost response using a boost controller can be affected depending upon how well you route the dumptube into the downpipe stream. :Hint: the smoother the angle into the rest of the downpipe stream, the better results you'll get.
On the recirculated WG topic, there is lots on the WWW to look through but what I hadn't really come across is a dyno comparison between dumped vs recirculated wg. Seems the only benefit to doing this is simply noise reduction since there is no power gained (or nothing solidly proven), and higher chance of diminishing power if it isn't routed properly.
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Old Feb 5, 2020 | 08:31 AM
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Thanks guys, got an Autoworks miniram on the way now with 3" downpipe and 44mm wastegate re-routed into the downpipe. I told Greg about the concern with the angle of the dump going into the downpipe and he said not to worry that he's got it and does this a lot. Fair enough!

Lightning and Shodan you can say I've dragged my feet but this time around I'm actually spending money! Garrett intercooler and manifold/downpipe off the list.

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Originally Posted by Nathan937
I like those manifolds. I would imagine the drain is pretty close to level to the top of the pan no?
That's the recommend location for it even though I've seen a few people put it on the lower portion. Those who do that likely have no clue what they're doing. haha



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Picture trickery! Or, my eyes are getting old.. Looked like a sensor in the dump tube. Lol!
You're getting old. LOL

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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Thanks guys, got an Autoworks miniram on the way now with 3" downpipe and 44mm wastegate re-routed into the downpipe. I told Greg about the concern with the angle of the dump going into the downpipe and he said not to worry that he's got it and does this a lot. Fair enough!

Lightning and Shodan you can say I've dragged my feet but this time I'm around I'm actually spending money! Garrett intercooler and manifold/downpipe off the list.
About damn time!
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Old Feb 5, 2020 | 05:31 PM
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congrats man, greg and his work are great
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