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Old May 28, 2019 | 06:42 AM
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Default Open ended lug nut options, what do you run?

Currently I am running extended ARP studs at all 4 corners with a 20MM spacer up front with a Muteki short spline drive lug nut. I don't know how good the quality of these lugs are and was looking for what is currently the best on the market for road course work. What are folks using? With all of the options out there, what have proven track reliability (assuming the lugs are secured with a proper torque wrench)?
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Old May 28, 2019 | 08:22 AM
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The cheapest steel lug nuts I can find. I'm using something similar to these. They work great!

https://www.amazon.com/KSP-M12X1-5-Conical-Include-Warranty/dp/B07KQ5MXPC/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=honda+lug+nuts+open+ended&qid=1559060500&s=gateway&sr=8-4 https://www.amazon.com/KSP-M12X1-5-Conical-Include-Warranty/dp/B07KQ5MXPC/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=honda+lug+nuts+open+ended&qid=1559060500&s=gateway&sr=8-4
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Old May 28, 2019 | 08:39 AM
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short gorilla open lugs... they are chromolly, mate well to my ARPs/Koseis/Advantis... and they are cheap.

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Old May 28, 2019 | 04:53 PM
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Aluminum ebay specials over arp extended studs.
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Old May 28, 2019 | 11:41 PM
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Check out these lug nuts, cheap and positive reviews.

https://www.yitamotor.com/search?type=product&q=honda++lug+nuts
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Old May 29, 2019 | 06:40 AM
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I ran the Skunk2 lugs for 5 years of track duty and daily/weekend use. Held up great but being alloy they do wear out. Probably gonna get another set, I tried some blox for my new track build and i don't know if i got some bootleg Blox or they are just
shitty. New lugs were messed up and shitty out the box. They feel so light that i don't trust them. The skunk2 were light but felt more "solid" if that makes sense.
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Old May 29, 2019 | 07:04 AM
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Thanks for the info so far, if anyone has had failures please post those as well!
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Old May 29, 2019 | 08:30 AM
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I've run the gorilla lugs (same set) on the integra and the civic. i've had zero issues, they hold tight... but i'm probably due for a new set. I'm on my 3rd set of ARP studs... so i'm sure my lugs could use a replacement.

we also run the gorilla lugs on the wifes wrangler... zero issues with the street/trail stuff. but we dont rip wheels off of that nearly as often.
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Old May 29, 2019 | 10:46 AM
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Go to Americas Tire or Wheel works, Discount Tire and get their short steel lug nuts.
Cheap and they last forever.
Ive seen some of those Muteki aluminum lugs get stuck on the extended studs before.
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Old May 29, 2019 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dirty19
Go to Americas Tire or Wheel works, Discount Tire and get their short steel lug nuts.
Cheap and they last forever.
Ive seen some of those Muteki aluminum lugs get stuck on the extended studs before.
These are the current lugnuts that I have.
https://www.amazon.com/Muteki-31886B-Black-Lightweight-Spline/dp/B004QHL0D4/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cr_simh_0_2/142-7346221-6613601?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B004QHL0D4&pd_rd_r=f8258804-99a2-41d4-b713-ed3d73926ecf&pd_rd_w=z5S3J&pd_rd_wg=IGkal&pf_rd_p=67aa5820-8762-4202-90ba-881bb99c913c&pf_rd_r=CC3VYDGF00DXP51B3YEP&psc=1&refRID=CC3VYDGF00DXP51B3YEP https://www.amazon.com/Muteki-31886B-Black-Lightweight-Spline/dp/B004QHL0D4/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cr_simh_0_2/142-7346221-6613601?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B004QHL0D4&pd_rd_r=f8258804-99a2-41d4-b713-ed3d73926ecf&pd_rd_w=z5S3J&pd_rd_wg=IGkal&pf_rd_p=67aa5820-8762-4202-90ba-881bb99c913c&pf_rd_r=CC3VYDGF00DXP51B3YEP&psc=1&refRID=CC3VYDGF00DXP51B3YEP
I don't think they are aluminum, they seem to heavy. Anyway, thanks for the continued input!

So far Gorilla, cheap-Dilbones, skunk2, Yitamotor, cheap aluminum ebay, and Discount Tire... Any failures on track? Have you all seen consistency with holding the recommended torque during sessions?
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Old May 29, 2019 | 12:53 PM
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Never had any issues with lugs loosening or anything like that. Forgot, also like 949 racing lugs and aluminum valves. Had a set of those on my daily, backup track car.
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Originally Posted by dirty19
Go to Americas Tire or Wheel works, Discount Tire and get their short steel lug nuts.
Cheap and they last forever.
Ive seen some of those Muteki aluminum lugs get stuck on the extended studs before.
I had the muteki for one event... they got stuck on the extended ARP stud and i switched to gorilla
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Old May 30, 2019 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dilbones
The cheapest steel lug nuts I can find. I'm using something similar to these. They work great!

https://www.amazon.com/KSP-M12X1-5-C...gateway&sr=8-4
im using a set like these that i bought @ pepboys for about the same price.

ive heard you're not supposed to run anti-seize on the lugs but i run high temp anti-seize on mine and ive had no problems with binding/seizing
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Old May 30, 2019 | 11:21 AM
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im using a set like these that i bought @ pepboys for about the same price.

ive heard you're not supposed to run anti-seize on the lugs but i run high temp anti-seize on mine and ive had no problems with binding/seizing
I've never once ran anti-seize on any car. If it's a daily where the metals can react and stick together over time, then maybe it's worth it but on a track car where wheels are swapped every time you're at the track, it's not worth it.

I also have Pep-Boys lugs on my Civic I've had them for about three years.
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I've never once ran anti-seize on any car. If it's a daily where the metals can react and stick together over time, then maybe it's worth it but on a track car where wheels are swapped every time you're at the track, it's not worth it.

I also have Pep-Boys lugs on my Civic I've had them for about three years.
on my daily driver civic, i had the great pleasure of having to take a massive breaker bar to get multiple lugnuts off of it when i first got it and found a copious amount of aluminum powder on the studs and in the bores of the rims so im kind of in the habit of it now. but yeah..you're right.

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i usually snug mine up a bit before each session (after wheel is cooled down) havent had any problems so far and ive done about 12 track days with my car. i would avoid running aluminum/titanium lugnuts unless you're going for some sort of time attack record
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Old May 30, 2019 | 07:42 PM
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I used gorilla spline drives for a long time on a Miata with no issues. Key thing to me is swapping them periodically and having spares on hand. If the nut feels anything other than silky smooth while going on it goes in the trash. Breaking a stud from a cross threaded lug nut sucks.
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Old May 31, 2019 | 11:30 AM
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How tight are you guys torquing your lugs (i do 85lbs)? I run long hollow Chinese (I assume) aluminum ones. I check them after every session and usually only need to be tightened after the very first session. Haven't had any problems with cross-threading, getting stuck, breaking, etc. Same set for over two years now. On and off probably 30-50 times.
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Originally Posted by sjg88
on my daily driver civic, i had the great pleasure of having to take a massive breaker bar to get multiple lugnuts off of it when i first got it and found a copious amount of aluminum powder on the studs and in the bores of the rims so im kind of in the habit of it now. but yeah..you're right.

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i usually snug mine up a bit before each session (after wheel is cooled down) havent had any problems so far and ive done about 12 track days with my car. i would avoid running aluminum/titanium lugnuts unless you're going for some sort of time attack record
I checked mine before each session after cool down and I had one or two that were at about 79ftlbs from 83ftlbs. Otherwise they stayed on pretty tight. Havent had many issues cross threading, I did have one that started to but it was my fault (rushing).

Ha nah no time attack records for now, I hope to someday get some solid runs in TT when I get a comp license and phase two of the project is complete. I have to get my driving skills down in phase one first.

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Old Jun 3, 2019 | 04:33 AM
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I just got dorman open ended lugs from advance auto. I believe i only paid $2 per lug.
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I've been running ARP extended studs with the Muteki steel short splined nuts for 3 (almost 4) track seasons now. Always torqued to 80 and never had any issues. Also worth mentioning, I'm constantly taking my wheels off to change brakes or fix things.
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just dont use titanium stuff
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I've been running ARP extended studs with the Muteki steel short splined nuts for 3 (almost 4) track seasons now. Always torqued to 80 and never had any issues. Also worth mentioning, I'm constantly taking my wheels off to change brakes or fix things.
Have you had to replace any or are they the same lugs the whole time?
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Old Jun 5, 2019 | 08:52 AM
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The lugs and studs have been the same. I have been thinking recently about replacing the lugs as they are slightly bulging from rust. Solely for that reason though!
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